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Scientific American makes presidential endorsement for second time in 179 years
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 18 Sep 2024
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Meanwhile, Teamsters won’t endorse in presidential race after releasing internal polling showing most members support Trump. Crazy times.
Maybe they should collectively bargain to suck my ass.
Believe it or not, they did. The members wanted Trump, so the leaders just bailed out and said, “Naw, fuck that”
Strong and competent leadership in my opinion. They clearly have the best interests of their members in mind.
Best wishes to your ass.
What’s baffling to me is that they did a member poll and apparently the members break for Trump nearly 2:1.
Something something leopards and faces, I guess… but holy fuck is it dismaying to see the membership of one of the biggest unions in the goddamn world support an overt fascist by such a margin. I suppose that that ratio says something about the average intellect of their members.
it truly is a sad thing to view. I'm 100% sure if conservatives weren't reaping the benefits of the left without giving anything in return in my union we'd be so much better off wage and benefits wise. I cannot comprehend how union members can support trump, who supports project 2025 and therefore the stripping of our rights we've fought for for over 100 years to get to the place they're at now.
they were invited to the RNC and but not to the DNC. i think that may have played a role.
I mean, it makes sense that they wont support the guy that is representing the party that's vehemently anti-union.
The member poll actually broke for Trump nearly 2:1. This is the leadership being as sane as they can under the circumstances, which I admit is absolutely not the conclusion I initially jumped to when I first heard about this.
I've been saying this for a long time – the working class is no longer culturally aligned with the left after it became so serious about not tolerating rude, crude, insensitive men.
Those are working class men.
Politically opposing the break room behavior of the guys you claim to represent doesn't work well. I still think there are enough of them in principle in support of various rights that they would make up a good majority of it was just about that, but the 2010's push to punish insulting humor and misgendering lost too many, it's now only supported by a minority of working class men. That is why going as far as Trump became a viable option for the GOP.
The difference between Bush and Trump represents, to me, the difference between two things. The working class's support for "live and let live" style rights to be with and become what you want, and in contrast is their objection to the expansion of "don't be rude, shut up, play along" style restrictions on speech in various social arenas.
I really believe that if the left had clearly rejected the wesk minority's desire for.enforcement of political correctness, it would have either a more comfortable lead, or a close race against someone less extreme.
The left rejected their base.
Because they were crude.
Instead of changing course, the left would rather just judge and lose. "Look at those men! They are not ethical! They are not smart! They shouldn't choose him over us! We are better for them!"
But you make no sacrifice to win them back.
You'd rather roll your eyes, sigh, and let it happen.
This is exactly what I’ve seen in Appalachian coal country. I once sat with a man who cried his eyes out because of the decision to call Florida for Bush. That same man died a Republican.
In my own family, when I was a kid they were all democrats. Now they’re all republicans. Of course that also has to do with their religious views and the bigotry that comes with that.
What you’re saying here is a big part of it though. “They called us hillbillies and inbred hicks all our lives, and now we can’t say anyone is a fairy? I learned to laugh at myself and now I have to hold my tongue for other people?!”
I didn’t just make that up. I’ve heard several variations of that since the 2010s when the big switch kicked into overdrive.
I’ll also say that racism had a big part in the shift. A man with the middle name Hussein was elected 7 years after 9/11 and that man was black. It caused a lot of white brains to short out.