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Basically a repost pf things I said in the mega, but anecdotally I'm hearing that sales of fiction read by men are dropping precipitously, and English and literature classes in colleges are now dominated by women. It seems like young men are not being exposed to literature in the same way that they used to. Like, when I was in high school and college, you could be a "bro" kind of guy and read Chuck Palahniuk, or Hunter S. Thompson, or David Foster Wallace. For decades, authors like Hemmingway and Bukowski found receptive audiences in young men, not to mention all the crime fiction, horror, sci-fi, and fantasy that men have traditionally consumed. The "guy in your English class who loves David Foster Wallace" was a stereotype for a reason. I read in another thread that music is less culturally important to young men than it used to be. It seems like younger men just straight up see no value in reading literature or fiction, or exposing themselves or critically engaging with art and music, because the algorithms just railroad them into Alpha Gridset world.

Am I wrong about this? Am I being condescending and out of touch, or is this a real thing that's happening, where the whole "male" culture is turning into grindset podcasts and streamers?

Edit: Okay, so the impression I'm getting is that everything is worse but also kind of the same as it ever was, which sounds right.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's about a desire for wealth. They see where the money is and want in on it. Also it's relatively low-skill and non-university than most professions. Bryan Quimby on Guys Podcast said like half the class his daughter just graduated in, the ones who weren't going to university or weren't planning to said they wanted to go into real estate. Which makes me think it's not even like they crave it that badly, it's just a backup plan they have because they gave up interest and hope in anything else.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah that's definitely the case, it is about wealth, but the difference between going into medicine, engineering, or law and real estate is that you don't need to start off wealthy to make the others work (assuming you can deal with student loans), but real estate takes wealth to break into. So what's making so many working class men think they can become landlords or realtors without the connections and capital that are obviously prerequisites to attain that class position?