chapotraphouse

Especially when the punishment for refusing conscription is well known and talked about.

Spending multiple back to back prison sentences in Israeli prison, as an Israeli Jewish person (the state's designation since they differentiate between Jewish and "Arab") not subject to the rape and abuses that are done to Palestinians, for potentially years vs going along with the social norm of participating in personally murdering or helping murder dozens, hundreds, maybe 1000s of innocent kids, women, men, anyone else. The choice is so clear.

"Ok, you can join the SS and help round up and shoot Jews every day until you're successful in extermination, we lose the war, or you dome yourself. Or! You get sent to a German-run German-prison for Germans. Not the concentration camps and definitely not any death camps. Up to you!"

Nobody except Nazis excuses the men who wore the uniform and did that despite all of them obviously knowing it was horrific what they were doing. They justified it too by saying Jews wanted to murder them or otherwise destroy society. The same way Israelis are doing towards their victims. It's just pathetic anyone even tries justifying this genocidal rhetoric. I prefer when they just admit how disgusting they are.