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I see a lot of people here saying they dread getting blamed for Kamala losing, but isn't that the whole point? Isn't that what we wanna do anyway? Yeah, she lost our vote by supporting genocide and it sure looks like those votes would've come in handy. If the dems want to win elections they have to deal with the left as an organized voting block that's ready to call their bluff. If it's actually the left's fault she loses, that just means we're the ones they needed to listen to. Take it in stride.
If anything, the worst outcome here is that they conclude that moderate Republicans didn't vote for Kamala in enough numbers so the next time they should try going farther to the right. Many of y'all would actually rather see the blame get put on those people without seeing that the "blame" in this situation is actually a positive thing to get, because it gives you the stage to make demands if they want your vote next time around. Now's probably the time to preempt that and say that genocide is why she didn't get our votes and our votes could've swung it in her favor.
There's a particular kind of blame I dread - the kind coming from the average everyday Democrat whose political analysis absolutely refuses to go beyond "Third-party voters hate us for our freedoms." It's impossible to talk to those people and they've refused to listen or change or demand that the party change for 24 years now.
There’s also “third party voters (of the left variety) are immature babies who don’t understand how things work in the real world. They are why we have Trump. Well, let’s see how that works out for them.”
Insert meme of Democrats want me dead.
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The people saying that only have to think about what they're saying for half a second before they realize they still have to appeal to us to win elections.
You're asking a lot of them here tbh
What will happen is they'll ask why the democrats should cater to us if we wont vote for them anyway.
Then keep losing and figure out another strategy to lose even harder.
same difference to us, we get to sharpen the contradictions.
Dems: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ACCELERATIONISTS!"
Tankies: We literally just asked you to stop killing people for, like, a month. And you wouldn't do that.
Seriously they wouldn't even headfake at peace
They could have just lied about it for like two weeks! That's all it would have taken! Bibi would shut up and deal with it just to get his bombs, they didn't even have to actually stop! They couldn't even fucking lie to cinch the election to get what they wanted.
Blamed as a political force to prove to the Democrats that they cannot hope to win elections while engaged in the worst crime? Good.
Blamed as Frank the communist who actually has to interact with people? It's gonna suck. : (
100%. There's also the matter of making elections matter in this increasingly fascist country, but knowing it might not may also be what will push people to join organizations or unions and try to effect change outside elections. We're going to have to fight. And I'll probably have to finish reading my Lenin lol.
My brother in Christ, the democrats will self-implode before they learn from their mistakes. Your optimism is incredible.
If they don't learn from their mistakes, the political class will drift farther and farther from the wants of the masses. The contradictions are sharpened. Either way presents more opportunities for the left.
Yep the correct thing to tell liberals who left punch and blame us for Trump winning is “yeah and I’ll fucking do it again. Submit to my demands”
I look forward to their hatred, it's nothing more than a sieve to sort the fascists and fair-weather "allies" from the genuine articles