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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I am asking just purely of curiosity, what makes PSL and WWP better than the CPUSA? Not taking either side here, just curious your reasoning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The main thing for me is that they do not cling to the delusion that helping democrats in their electoral politics is going to achieve anything. Any party that wastes its time campaigning for democrats or democrat-affiliated politicians is not a serious communist party. That being said, i am aware that there are many good comrades in the CPUSA, but the overall strategy of the party at the national level seems to me at this time to be erroneous.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I disagree, and I think there is a lot of assumptions about what the CPUSA does.

We are not allowed to endorse Democrats and even had a brief schism about the whole thing which resulted in the ouster of Sam Webb back in 2014 (which, I mean, good riddance).

We have tried to run our own candidates in recent years, particularly at the local level. Plans are drawn up to run other candidates and, of course, Joe Sims is pushing people to do so. But it's honestly hard, especially with the fact that, true enough, we didn't run candidates for a long time and many are too old or too young, from what I can tell.

Outside from that? We participate a lot in labor unions (such as the particularly famous Amazon union in New York) and it's arguably our main strength and we do indeed do mutual aid.

I mean, more to the piont: there's a lot that the CPUSA does that doesn't involve anything having to do with elections. We're a political party (which means we are obliged to run candidates or at least have an opinion on the matter, even encouraging members to vote) but, of course, we're an activist organization as well, like much of the communist parties on SolidNet (admittedly, that's sort-of a watered down version of the Comintern of old, but it's good for sharing ideas, international connections, etc.).

I do believe that @[email protected] has the right of it, even if he may say things I may not say about the organization myself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

CPUSA did simp pretty hard for Biden during 2020 though. They, just like every liberal outlet, painted him as some savior of democracy against fascism. When in truth, Biden is just a quieter fascism. Hell, their subreddit was one of the most libshit places I'd ever been. Ended up getting banned after getting into an argument with a mod about if voting is revolutionary (they claimed it was!).

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

CPUSA didn't simp for Biden in 2020 lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It really did, at least their paper did. Every article was "We must stop the rise of fascism and Biden will do just that!". On r/cpusa they post like every article that party pushes and it was pure Biden simping. Most pro union president and shit. My view of the party comes from its publications (as its still not really impactful in terms of actions, at least not in my area as its so tiny) and it was pure liberal nonsense. "Voting is a revolutionary act!" Sounding stuff (yes, an article said that).

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I remember the CPUSA and People's World articles; they didn't say that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe you just didn't read the ones I did. Regardless, they definitely did.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Look, I'm not just gonna go back and forth with contradicting each other. I know what I read, you know what you read, it is what it is.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This contradicts what you've been saying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

No, it really doesn't. It's all the same "go out and vote our way to socialism" BS. That shit ain't on the ballot. Never is, never was, never will be.

Electoralist nonsense.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

That's not what they said though. And we're a political party who is running their own candidates. We're supposed to have a stance on the issues.