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As a USian, probably DSA (rad-lib), or CPUSA (leadership is revisionist, much of it’s probably based).
PSL and WWP are much better than either CPUSA or the Democrat shills at DSA.
There’s also PCUSA and other more irrelevant, but based parties
No, I disagree with this as well; I find their constant attacks against my org to be annoying and, often, me and my comrades are essentially ignoring them while they focus on lobbing insults are way. I've often tried not to get involved in online arguments with them (well, except for one particular time that was a big exception), but they seem belligerent, even with other orgs, despite some very real issues that their org seems to have that they never even address when confronted about it. That's what makes their tiff with us annoying, honestly.
They’re pretty based for what I can tell, but they do have a bit of the grudge against CPUSA. I don’t know too much about it though. Have you heard of Gus Hall? All I know of the dispute is PCUSA says he was a leader in early CPUSA, and they don’t talk about him, and are forgetting their roots.
I do not like them because of the amount of PatSocs that tend to join the organization, never mind Chris Helali being in it.
To be honest, their grudge goes back to their founding in 2014, when admittedly the whole Sam Webb affair came to its climax and he was ousted from the party. Angelo D'Angelo obviously had had enough after that, but honestly, some of his and his members attacks against the party seem to either indite everyone or not taken into account the realities of the time, in my honest opinion.
Of course, the truth is, I wouldn't care about PCUSA either way and, in truth, did not back then when I eventually joined the CPUSA, but of course, I find their attacks against us annoying and so it seems I'm forced to sometimes contend with them online.
I am asking just purely of curiosity, what makes PSL and WWP better than the CPUSA? Not taking either side here, just curious your reasoning.
The main thing for me is that they do not cling to the delusion that helping democrats in their electoral politics is going to achieve anything. Any party that wastes its time campaigning for democrats or democrat-affiliated politicians is not a serious communist party. That being said, i am aware that there are many good comrades in the CPUSA, but the overall strategy of the party at the national level seems to me at this time to be erroneous.
I disagree, and I think there is a lot of assumptions about what the CPUSA does.
We are not allowed to endorse Democrats and even had a brief schism about the whole thing which resulted in the ouster of Sam Webb back in 2014 (which, I mean, good riddance).
We have tried to run our own candidates in recent years, particularly at the local level. Plans are drawn up to run other candidates and, of course, Joe Sims is pushing people to do so. But it's honestly hard, especially with the fact that, true enough, we didn't run candidates for a long time and many are too old or too young, from what I can tell.
Outside from that? We participate a lot in labor unions (such as the particularly famous Amazon union in New York) and it's arguably our main strength and we do indeed do mutual aid.
I mean, more to the piont: there's a lot that the CPUSA does that doesn't involve anything having to do with elections. We're a political party (which means we are obliged to run candidates or at least have an opinion on the matter, even encouraging members to vote) but, of course, we're an activist organization as well, like much of the communist parties on SolidNet (admittedly, that's sort-of a watered down version of the Comintern of old, but it's good for sharing ideas, international connections, etc.).
I do believe that @[email protected] has the right of it, even if he may say things I may not say about the organization myself.
CPUSA did simp pretty hard for Biden during 2020 though. They, just like every liberal outlet, painted him as some savior of democracy against fascism. When in truth, Biden is just a quieter fascism. Hell, their subreddit was one of the most libshit places I'd ever been. Ended up getting banned after getting into an argument with a mod about if voting is revolutionary (they claimed it was!).
CPUSA didn't simp for Biden in 2020 lol
It really did, at least their paper did. Every article was "We must stop the rise of fascism and Biden will do just that!". On r/cpusa they post like every article that party pushes and it was pure Biden simping. Most pro union president and shit. My view of the party comes from its publications (as its still not really impactful in terms of actions, at least not in my area as its so tiny) and it was pure liberal nonsense. "Voting is a revolutionary act!" Sounding stuff (yes, an article said that).
I remember the CPUSA and People's World articles; they didn't say that.
Maybe you just didn't read the ones I did. Regardless, they definitely did.
They did not.
Look, I'm not just gonna go back and forth with contradicting each other. I know what I read, you know what you read, it is what it is.
Sure...
This contradicts what you've been saying.
No, it really doesn't. It's all the same "go out and vote our way to socialism" BS. That shit ain't on the ballot. Never is, never was, never will be.
Electoralist nonsense.
That's not what they said though. And we're a political party who is running their own candidates. We're supposed to have a stance on the issues.
Leadership of CPUSA is not revisionist.
Comrade, what do you think about this article in particular?
It was meant to make fun of trends at the times regarding Marxism and Marxism-Leninism.
In truth, this was how many communists in the USA and in the West thought, even if they changed since then. People are taking an article that was made in jest and turning it into something that it isn't and it certainly doesn't reflect the co-chair's views now nor the National Committee of the party.
In truth, beyond that, I don't think much of it, I suppose.
The PCE (Partido Comunista de España) has actually a seat in the government coalition but they haven't been communists since the 70s. There are a bunch of other communist parties but you have to sort your way through the patsocs, reactionaries cough Frente Obrero cough, transphobes and revisionists. As in most other imperial core countries, the left is in a very bad state
Just got weakened after Joma Sison died (rest in power).
Supporting Ukraine.
Badly. Its ran by reformists and is extremely revisionist. Not to say much bad about the rank and file, a lot of them are based but that is also a huge issue with them, I'm willing to say the majority of the membership is quite based but they become succdems the closer to leadership they get. Indicates to me that something is structurally wrong with the party as the views of much of the rank and file are not reflected by its leadership. Took the democratic out of democratic centralism.
US btw.
I know you wrote this a week ago but if you're still interested in organizing, I would recommend the FRSO. Here's the link: https://frso.org/. If you want to join, read through the program. For membership, there are two tiers. General members are those who cannot fully commit to doing revolutionary work; they pay 20 dollars a year and agree to the program. Cadre are bound by demcen and they are actively working towards building a communist party. FRSO strictly abides by demcen, the application of which can be explained through: https://frso.org/main-documents/on-marxist-organization/. Also, FRSO utilizes mass line as explained by: https://frso.org/main-documents/some-points-on-the-mass-line/. Feel free to ask any questions that you have.
Doing okay-ish. Grew from 16k members in 2020 to 26k+ active members right now, which is pretty good for a party over here. Our party organizes in local groups that tackle local problems. We have like 10% of the votes I think. We keep growing and we're active in a lot of places, constantly mobilizing people.
We have 15 free healthcare clinics at the moment. The largest Union with 1.3 million members is starting to follow us on a lot of points. We have two municipalities in the country under our control, with good results.
But more needs to be done.
Where is this 😩
The Netherlands
Where?
The Netherlands
Barely even exist online, even less irl.
Hope it gets better! What do you think needs to be done to change that?
Absolutely no idea. Basic communist labour didn't worked.