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It contains points such as "sovereignty should be respected" but no proposal as to how to make Russia respect Ukraine's sovereignty.
Because it's about ending the war, not getting Russian leadership to subscribe to an abstract and unevenly defined principle.
So how does China intend to end the war, respecting Ukraine's sovereignty, without getting Russian leadership to subscribe to the said principle?
Idk, sounds like something that should be hashed out in peace talks, preferably done after calling a ceasefire
A ceasefire at this point would benefit Russia militarily.
And "should"? "preferably"? Are you going to bend reality by the force of moral imperatives?
Russia is unwilling to hold peace talks that involve Ukraine being sovereign and having its territorial integrity intact. According to the Chinese list itself, it's Russia that needs to make the next step towards peace -- by fucking off to behind its own borders.
My brother in Christ, Ukraine is unwilling to hold peace talks with Ukraine being sovereign. The last time they were close to a peace deal Boris Johnson flew his orangutan ass into Ukraine like Marry Poppins and killed the peace deal. Sovereign nations really do get to have Boris Johnson have final say in all decision making.
No way he has any influence in a foreign country, Boris Johnson can't even influence his own hair. Britain is like irrelevant on a global scale.
Britain is still relevant in Europe, even if they're no longer able to influence Asia/Africa/the Americas.
How? They had their influence in the EU but not anymore. I can't think of any influence they have currently.
Ukraine is absolutely willing to talk about peace, thing is Russia has to leave the country first.
And as you're bringing up the Brits, are you acquainted with the term "appeasement"?
Liberals understand what peace talks are challenge, any percent (impossible)
It would also benefit the people of Ukraine who are currently living in an active warzone.
This should not be difficult to understand.
No. Living under Russian occupation benefits noone.
So when are you going to Ukraine to sign up for the frontline?
I'm not going to. How did you get the impression that I would?
You're obviously very horny for the war to continue, and you only live a few hours away.
Why wouldn't you join up if it's so important to you?
I'm very keen on the war to end quickly. I've said so from the start. Given that the war is not going to end before Russia loses, there's no other option than to support Ukraine. On top of that it's Ukraine which has the righteous cause.
I've had a gazillion of hexbears try to dunk on me here for a day now, and none of you had any better idea on how to end the war quickly. The best I've heard bogs down to "invite the Kremlin for talks and sing Kumba Ya". That's wishful thinking.
So, pray tell, what is your idea on how to end the war quickly?
So go there and fight. If this is really what you believe in, then why not?
Or do you think that Ukrainian lives are a worthy sacrifice for the "righteous cause" but your own is not?
No Kumba Ya. Go to Ukraine and fight. Bleed for it.
It's their own righteous cause and they continue to fight so they think it's worth it, yes. If the people actually wanted to give up they'd say so.
Who are you to decide such things for them?
When the Taliban rolled over Afghanistan I wasn't there, saying "But you should fight for your freedom!" -- nah, people have to want it on their own accord. In that case all I could was to throw up my hands in despair, seeing a country fall from occupation into tyranny. Ukraine? Least I can do is defend it morally against vulgar pseudo-pacifists like you, who'd rather see Ukrainians brutalised and exploited by the Russian Mafia.