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Quite frankly, the term liberal refers to Democrats and Republicans not Conservatives and Centralists. I'm a Centralist and its sometimes weird when people outright call me a liberal. I don't pay attention it though.
it refers to anyone who supports capitalism. if that's not you, it's not you.
oh...fuck...then..
if you're willing to read and learn, people will make space for you here. but if you're not, this place is going to get hostile real fast. lemmygrad and hexbear are leftist instances.
Centralist?
neutral. Not left or right. Well..kinda right..
I would recommend actually learning about what you support. You don't seem overtly hostile, but remember you are on the same end of the scale with people who have decided that my ethnic group has no right to exist.
You might say "Those guys are evil! I would never support that!" You don't need to support it directly, anyone who is even complacent is supporting those people.
That's just one out hundreds of possible problems with being a "Centralist". They simply don't exist. You have those fighting oppression, and those oppressing. Being neutral means you have picked your side.
wait...what is your ethic group? (btw, I don't discrimate cuz I'm not racist -_-)
Honestly, it doesn't even fully matter. I could be Jewish, Romani, Slavic, Black. Other then ethnic groups, I could be handicapped, gay, Catholic, elderly, poor, chronically ill, and so on.
It doesn't matter, because all those groups and many more deserve extermination, slavery, to be experimented on, starvation, and death.
I hope you understand the point I am trying to make. But my personal ethnic group is Slavic. We were labelled as little better then rats, abominations, and racially unfit to exist as a people. We needed to be exterminated so that our land could be taken and used properly for expanding the Aryan race in "General Plan Ost". We were an disease, not people to them.
There are only those who support the oppressed, and those that support the oppressor. You cannot be both. Make your choice.
Oh. I like slavic music. You guys are cool tbh.
Those on the right don’t think so at all.
To a lesser degree, neither do liberals as they despise the Bolshevik Revolution.
The choice is yours. Who do you want to associate with?
Well, um...the Bolshevik Revolution on the other hand....thats kinda....another matter.....idk...i'm not quite right...not quite democrat or republican, so i tend to stay at the border of things..
you should read about it before you write it off. if you've never heard the story, October by China Mieville is very easy to read and will show you what people were thinking and feeling as it happens. as for what came next, I recommend Blackshirts and Reds by Parenti.
what do you mean you stay at the border of things something is either right or it isn't why are you just believing what you think is the middle of other people's beliefs
Can you please tell me what the actual difference is between Democrats and Republicans (besides Dems being less overtly hateful)
Edit: To clarify, I’m talking about actual implemented policy
..not much. But Democrats are less hostile.
and the other ethnicities mentioned...
it's also non-ethnic groups. there's a genocide of my people (trans) underway across much of the US and the centrist position is that it's good because we're all pedophiles. it's even seeping into the progressive wings of the democratic party.
yes
Ah I see. Well, to me, I tend to stay neutral when I am confused about something or if I'm used to something. Western influcened things are just so common. I hope you can understand that its hard for me, an American born and raised teenager to understand this whole rack of new information that goes against everything I've ever known.
Liberal = supporter of capitalism. I suggest reading lots and lots on liberal and especially marxist theory, I used to be a centrist like you, because I only trusted what was trusted by liberal media, because ofc I wantdd to be correct, and it took years to realize they were lying and acting in bad faith. I was also hardcore falling for the golden mean fallacy
No one has suggested any readings yet (being a marxist is 50% reading and learning 50% trying to organize), so I'm recommending On Authority by Engels (this is a page long but very necessary, I highly suggest reading this future comrade!) After that dive in to State and Revolution by Lenin or Kapital by Marx, depending on how skeptical you are on supporting capitalism
On Authority, which is only a page long!
Lemme know if you have any questions too
I'm not THAT supportive of Capitalism. I just..go with it. Cuz I'm raised that way.
We all did. It's just what happens when we're raised in a system that teaches us that it is the "best" system to ever exist. It's always important to keep learning, and challenging our preconceived notions about the world.
Yeah. However, I do sometimes wonder what went wrong to bring me here. About what exactly led me to be curious about ideas that I've been taught to dislike.
For me it was how as a child i saw everyone suddenly turn into murder robots about Iraq, and then just act like they didn't, and I never felt at ease after that.
Just sounds like regular self-reflection to me. Always a good idea to challenge ourselves. Life is empty and meaningless if you never consider anything new or challenge yourself.
Yeah, thats liberalism my friend
.To indulge in personal attacks, pick quarrels, vent personal spite or seek revenge instead of entering into an argument and struggling against incorrect views for the sake of unity or progress or getting the work done properly. This is a fifth type.
I was where you are, probably worse, but you should do some reflection on what you now know to have been instilled in you purposefully by the system which raised you
...damn...ig that makes me a liberal 💀
conservative means opposed to change. It's more like a flavour you can have on any political ideology for example conservatives in the later years of the soviet union who opposed opening up to the west