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Well, Russia is draining NATO expansion because it's invaded Ukraine and cost thousands of lives, and this struggle is between two capitalist empires which both want to do more capitalism, so there's no benefit to either side winning
Calling the Russians barbarians is not a good look. They're as human as you and me.
Not trying to nitpick or devalue the rest of your post, but felt the need to highlight that.
It was very much not sincere, but a parody of anti-russ nonsense, alas.
Oh my bad, completely flew over my head.
Yeah, clearly wasn't clear, my bad.
No worries! I could've asked as well
There is a difference between an outcome representing "justice" and it being beneficial. No outcome represents justice, but Russia winning is beneficial to multipolarity.
No one thinks Putin does anything out of the goodness of his heart. It is nonetheless beneficial for him to win, both for the people of Donbas and for multipolarity. Beyond that, he will surely give the Azovites a harder time than Zelensky is.
I wish peace talks succeeded too. I don't like the war, I just think one winner is a better outcome than the other, and it's not the one who consistently undermined the peace talks.
There's nothing cowardly about having compassion, the war is a ridiculous waste of human life. I am simply saying that there are ways of rating outcomes beyond the (correctly prioritized) criteria of "is there a war or not?"
Edit: ps it wasn't just a post Soviet issue. Look up Operation Bloodstone
To anyone reading: also check out operation aerodynamic.