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SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! THE REASON THE GARDENER IS IN A BLOODY WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE IS BECAUSE THE WARRIOR'S ARMY IS PILLAGING THEIR GARDEN!!!!

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I assumed this quote was invented by the columnist in question, but I looked it up and since it's repeatedly attributed as a "Chinese proverb" or to Sun Tzu (I checked, not there) or Lao Tzu or Miyamoto Musashi, I'm pretty sure some other random white person made it up.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It stands out to me as a very modern idea- for the entirety of feudalism every man levied to an army was some kind of gardener/farmer to the point that the length of a campaign was usually defined by when the soldiers had to get back to harvest their crops

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

feudalism produces groups of people who have bound others to property to do that farming while they are on campaign, that's what knights were. a modern levee en masse is much more disruptive to agricultural production, because it doesn't tap classes who are already expected to go on a campaign. one shouldn't even assume because a certain peasant area was required to produce so many levy soldiers that this would be an excessive draw on the labor pool either--it bad times it might've, but in others a handful of third sons weren't exactly missed, and those men entering armed life was expected and prepared for in advance.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It deffinitly seems like something you think sun tzu would say if you've never read sun tzu.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

I like Sun Tzu. Its a lot of don't fight unless you can win. The way you win is forcing your enemy to fight where they're outnumbered.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

It sounds exactly like the kind of "Confucius Say" jokes but without a punchline.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, its kinda got a hard times make hard men chuddish vibe to it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

so based on that, it was probably a mil-SF writer in the 80s