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You’ll see people on anti-work posting stories about their bosses taking advantage of them and the responses are almost always, ‘quit your, get a new one and double your wage/salary’.

‘Bro your job and your boss suck, just quit and get a new one with 2x pay’

Or ‘I hate my line of work, what should I do’

A:‘Just get a job at a fortune 500 and transition into a different role’

Or ‘just go back to school bro’

I’m studyied engineering and this theme hits even closer to home to people like me.

‘Oh you earn 50k as an engineer? Weird, the entry level pay of people in my company and everyone I know ever is 120 Million’

The general sentiment on reddit and places like antiwork is one of anger, frustration with our economic system, or general despair. But the frustrations always seem to be ‘I am living paycheck to pay check in a big city earning 200k’ and not ‘I have a PHD and I’m struggling to find a job that pays above minimum wage’, which is more of I’ve encountered. Why does everyone seem so fucking comfortable?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

you american?
i know "middle class" there is weirdly broad

here the main markers of the "middle class" are:

  1. your parents went to university - this one is becoming less relevant as the years go by and a higher percentage of people have degrees, it used to be that there would not be much competition for degree-requiring jobs, so a degree meant almost certain financial comfort, that comfort would lead to a more financially comfortable childhood for their kids
  2. your parents own their own home - yes, home ownership is a good thing, but you can't ignore that under a western housing market, a house is a financial asset more than anything else, it's collateral for loans, a relatively safe investment, and a place to live in
  3. you definitely own a car (unless you live in a city centre) and it is relatively new - newer car (usually) means less that needs repairing/replacing
  4. you work a profession - you have a job that requires a degree, those almost always pay more than those that don't, another thing that is becoming more blurry as the middle class are increasingly becoming downwardly mobile

there are more but you get the idea

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Biden said being middle class was a "feeling".

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's true though, we made it up so that everyone can convince themselves they're not one of The Poors and accidentally develop solidarity

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Vibes-based economic status

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Vibes based economic prognosis

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

As ideology, that has some legs. I've known desperately poor people that nothing but a part time shift at minimum wage that called themselves "middle class" and even "capitalist" while I've also had distant relatives call themselves "middle class" that were landlords with properties all across the state.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

you work a profession - you have a job that requires a degree

Tangent: In the most technical sense, a profession requires a specialized body of knowledge and training, a self-regulating and self-licensing body, and a professional code of ethics. Very few occupations are actually professions in this sense.

I like keeping this fact in the back pocket for dunking on tech bros and bankers who are too far up their own asses about their "professions". Especially funny if you're a nurse or some other profession they look down on and you get to gatekeep them.