this post was submitted on 21 Oct 2023
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With a lot of people, there's a strong doubling down response when they get shown the climate impact and the animal abuse and the grueling working conditions of the meat industry. Everybody knows killing animals is wrong, most people find cruelty towards animals absolutely abhorrent, but carnists are extremely effective at coping with the cognitive dissonance. idk what to do about this myself tbh, i'm just saying that lack of information may not be the main problem here.
After hearing JT double down on "Vegans mean" in the most recent Deprogram in reference to the AMA here, I thought more about it.
It feels like vestigial liberalism when being confronted with a position further left than them. Using underserved communities and other typical progressive jargon to explain why actually their position is more better for those suffering under capitalism. Then they move to personal attacks or character assassination of the people holding the objectively better position instead of engaging with the content of the argument.
Finishing it up with ohh I'm just so picky was the cherry on top. Sorry you'll have to develop your culinary horizons to stop supporting the unethical treatment and murder of our animal comrades. This is coming from someone raised in a very similar household where pepper was considered spicy and with friends and family that would literally only eat cheeseburgers (no vegetables, just meat and cheese) pizza, tendies, and peanut butter sandwiches. If I can grow from it, so can anyone who actually wants to and spends time finding ways to enjoy new things and replace meat
This is my experience as well. Hopefully JT and co. marinates on this and comes around
If you are neurodivergent you might legit not be able to handle some foods, it's not just pickiness if you puke if you eat tomatoes for example.
You can circumvent that with different copking approaches like making sauces or purees out of things but depending on your culture you might have to think a but out of the box to startdoing that (in mine veggies are mostly eaten raw which I find disgusting).
Yeah I definitely get that, especially coming from someone who was almost as picky as the people I described for all of my childhood up to early adulthood. I suspect I'm on the spectrum and cannot will myself to eat just about any beans aside from soy and chickpeas because of the texture but am still capable of eating a plant based diet. Obviously my experiences aren't encompassing of all ND experience with food aversions, and everyone should approach their diet with what they are able to change.
This topic wasn't brought up by JT and is legitimately the one I give the most slack to in adjusting diets. The excuse from him was that people couldn't afford meat replacements which is hogwash. Any cheap meat will be infinitely worse for you than beans/lentils/vegetables of equal cost and not go as far in portions.
Yeah meat is pretty expensive where I am from, yet my mother still cooks it 5/7 days a week (probably due to my pickiness as a kid, but we have pretty bad eating habits in general)
Agreed, it seems impossible for the average American to feel a meal is complete without some portion of meat included.
She's European but that probably applies to the whole core
I think it was Liz on a recent TA episode that said the Internet has exported and Americanized all western cultures which makes a lot of sense
That and many people starved during the Nazi occupation (I'm Greek), which caused most people of the time to stuff their kids afterwards (and grandkids)
Hadn't considered that, but it's makes sense. Probably similar treatment Gen x and boomers had with great depression parents
i think people eat meat in a lot more than the imperial core