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White House opens $45 billion in federal funds to developers to convert offices to homes
(www.marketwatch.com)
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Whoever is in charge of the White House's messaging is a complete moron and should be fired and blacklisted for incompetence.
All these good things for the middle class and the working class and we don't see a fucking peep out of them.
Trump would be absolutely bleating out the 4.9% increase to the GDP like no tomorrow across every fucking network and also promoting the hell out of this as well.
It's fucking maddening the lack of information coming from the WH.
I am not sure if this is the win people think it is. Those are going to need MASSIVE retrofits to be meaningfully habitable. There is a reason why hotels are often in "weird" shapes as opposed to giant rectangles. And a lot of that has to do with making sure every room has a window, there is proper insulation (sound and thermal) between rooms, etc. Contrast that with office buildings where you tend to have a huge cube farm in the middle of the floor or people will shank one another over windows.
Buildings with a big center atrium are well suited(-ish) to conversion, but have limited space as a result. And likely need significant work on the floors/ceilings.
As for messaging: The Democrats have always been horrible at that. Part of it is because a lot of it is "this is basic human decency?". But mostly it is because Democrats are built around actually wanting something. I want UBI. You want student loan forgiveness. Sally wants basic human rights. Maybe we are both happy when Sally gets what she wants, but I resent that they are focusing on a stopgap measure with loan forgiveness and you resent that they are ignoring your personal needs with UBI experiments.
Contrast that with republicans where all a candidate has to do is fuck over a gay person or a woman and then EVERYONE cheers.
I am actually pretty optimistic on that front. Mostly because those buildings are already up to code for office workers and keeping hallways to the various fire exits is a "solved" problem. Also, after you get a dozen or two floors up, windows stop being particularly useful for survival and are more about quality of life.
What I DO expect are horror stories and likely a new "twitch meta" of playing the audio of people fucking in the next apartment over and the inevitable doxxing and shaming that goes along with that. Also HVAC hell as we already learned that a LOT of office buildings and facilities are calibrated for a specific type of occupancy and caused massive temperature swings during the lockdown portion of covid.
Oooh, maybe a story or twelve about how someone smoking weed on the other side of the building resulted in everyone's PS7 getting destroyed by water. But I think California already requires sprinkler heads in apartments so that is not going to be unique to this?
I've had sprinklers in apartments. Usually they're a bit smarter than office ones. They didn't turn on through the whole building and only come on after the smoke detector has been going for a bit.
I have them in my current apartment. They aren’t activated by the fire alarm, they’re heat activated so if there’s no actual fire the sprinkler doesn’t turn on.
Ah that's good. I'm glad they thought of that
I think this all stems from the they go low, you go high b s. It's almost like they believe that if you crow about your accomplishments or attempts at accomplishing something, you're putting the party in a bad position because of optics.
No, you stuffy ancient peacocks! You get in the trenches and fight in the mud and hammer them with their faults and horrible policy. Because if you don't there might not be a next time.
In another thread, the general response to the new speaker of the house being compromised by russia is "no shit?"
It has nothing to do with "going high". It has to do with people being idiots. If the constant verbiage is "These republicans are actively trying to defund social security and the military. Here is evidence" the response will be "Fake news. Also, maybe we should defund social security because of lazy black people. And I hear they let mexicans in the military now too, so we should fire all the gays first"
Democrats generally actually care about what their politicians are doing (or not doing). republicans are a death cult who just care about whether their orange god approves.
Democrats absolutely don’t give a shit about what their politicians are doing. Both sides are mindlessly tribal and partisan and it’s infuriating. Yes I usually vote D because Rs are generally worse but holy shit you both suck so fucking bad and are ruining the country with your idiocy.
This is not the 2000s and South Park is not the pinnacle of human intellect anymore. "Douche and a turd sandwich" stupidity only applies if you genuinely do not care about basic human rights.
republicans are actively speedrunning to turn the country, and then the world, into Gilead. They are openly attacking human rights and are openly compromised by foreign powers. And they actively want to steal elections.
Democrats... have messaging issues and are bad at prioritizing what we want.
If you don't see a difference between that: You are basically a republican and don't want to admit it. Because you clearly don't care about basic human rights.
I literally said I vote democrat because the GOP is worse but as you conveniently proved in my point you all have brain worms and are stupidly partisan.
There were already multiple projects like this underway in my city, with several more buildings that would be good candidates for this kind of thing. We had lost a lot of office rentals before covid, and now with even more suburban people working from home, we have the double whammy of lost city income tax from the WFH people. We also have a housing crunch in my city, with a serious lack of available units in desirable areas driving up rents.
So, my city has a looming cash flow problem, an already established housing crisis, and shitloads of square footage of real estate in pri) me locations sitting empty. Seems like a ready-made solution to all of these things is available, right?
However, as you pointed out, converting these old office buildings can be trickier and more expensive. That's where these programs come in. I suspect that the Biden admin has looked at all these factors in cities across the country and seen that giving an incentive to developers (who were already interested in such projects) to move forward.
Is it perfect? Hell no. I hate the idea of giving public funds to private developers just for them to be able to charge rents. I would also like at least some of these units be available for purchase as condos. That said, that's the kind of system the US has for solutions to every problem: put taxpayer money in the hands of private middlemen so that they can take a profit.
Yeah. Done correctly, I think this can be really good. There are some fundamental mismatches but... whatever
My main concern is it is going to be a lot of half-assed work as money spreads out.
This is more a problem with the media then the administration. Trump could blast shit like this because he could basically tell fox news what to show and how to show it. Biden doesn't have the same control over the liberal media and they'd rather focus on Mike Johnson being a religious zealot and the war in gaza right now because those scare people and drives views. Not saying that's a bad thing to focus on, just that it's hard for this relatively boring story to compete.
Biden seems to take the philosopher's approach of not touting your own accomplishments, but just accomplishing. Unfortunately people are dumb and disinterested and if you don't tout your accomplishments they assume you have none.
The national media outlets are partially to blame. They have been digging Biden the entire time and ignoring huge things like you mentioned.
Biden is the most underrated president I can remember. He's done so much with what he was handed. He deserves much more credit than he gets.
Dems suck at messaging, GOP is traditionally great it (not sure right now, but historically they’re very good at getting a consistent message to their base of supporters)
Your commenting on an article of this information coming from the white house
How many will see this?
How many saw the train workers getting the sick days and personal days they really wanted and needed after the contract was pushed through by congress?
How many see the insulin cap and medication lowered for seniors?
How many see the administration doing what they can for student loan forgiveness after being hamstrung by Republicans and the SCOTUS?
So many good things the vast majority of the US population don't see because they aren't shoving it into their faces like they should.
I have no idea how youre imagining only you saw these things, or that you'd be able to at all without the white house communicating all of it
People are biased toward seeing bad things more than good and even you are susceptible to it