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Friendly reminder: when commenting about a news event, especially something that just happened, please provide a source of some kind. While ideally this would be on nitter or archived, any source is preferable to none at all given.

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine, though we will switch next week to a new country.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly (biweekly?) update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The obsession with "innocent civilians" is infuriating. No interest in the reality that every war results in massive civilian casualties. No interest or awareness that Palestinian's don't have the luxury of precision weapons (which still kill tons of civilians). Not even the hint of the concept that maybe settlers aren't non-combatant civilians due to the specific circumstances of the Israeli state and it's mode of conquest. No awareness or interest that Israel is a heavily militarized state (Human shields!).

Just "These people trying to save themselves from genocide are illegitimate because they killed civilians".

And this standard is never applied except to the designated enemy. us-foreign-policy

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

every land invasion has innocent people dying. Inteintonally or not. Worlds biggest military on the world took soldiers from one of the best places to live earth has to offer and said army can not stop them from killing random civilians whose nation did nothing to harm them ( not saying it is ok to kill civilians from nations that harmed you and also I am not saying Said army has any intentions to harm as few civilians as possible). Now, Are you claiming you can dicipline army of orphans in state of chaos and genocide to be perfect angels towards a nation that made them orphan ? Please, I would support you if you lead your own army against oppression

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It could just be the obvious hypocrisy of “it’s ok when my team does it but not the other team”, but I suspect there is a deeper pathology here.

Deep down, the people who benefit from the current order of things know that there is a huge mass of people who must be oppressed to keep the whole thing going. Even if the benefit they receive is mostly “I get to feel like I’m better than others due to my race / ethnicity / religion”.

One example… I am 100% convinced there is a paranoia at the heart of the white suburban culture. They think that at any moment, the black folks who live in the urban ghettos of their city will try and overrun their nearly all-white enclaves. Personally I think this is where much of the obsession with guns and bootlicking cops comes from. And even more generally, I think people in the west know on some level that their quality of life rests on the oppression of brown people in the south.

So when Hamas attacks an Israeli settlement, the white folks in America internalize that as “brown people lashing out and harming people like me - in skin color sure but also in economic position”. It hits on that paranoia and that’s why we are seeing white Americans freaking the fuck out even though the Israelis are so much worse to the Gazans.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People instinctively know which side of the fence they would be on in a hypothetical Israel - Gaza situation, and act accordingly. Material interest trumps everything.

In the countries of the (Global) South, most people are victims of the system, whereas in the North, the majority are its beneficiaries. Both know it perfectly well, although often they are either resigned to it (in the South) or welcome it (in the North).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Deep down, the people who benefit from the current order of things know that there is a huge mass of people who must be oppressed to keep the whole thing going

Day's brainwashing essay etc etc.