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[–] [email protected] 57 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Clear bullshit, right?

If Ukraine could pull this off, I could pull this off. I refuse to believe that international infrastructure could be so vulnerable.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Won't know until in a few decades it all gets declassified but my bet was always a US Navy Special Warfare team, aka SEAL team. That is who the US uses for such operations. Previous week there had been US Navy units doing exercises in the general area. The level of hostility, type of aggressive narrative control, and how key US outlets were already standing ready to suppress certain details made it suspicious from the start.

The US uses the same playbook again and again, makes people suspicious even when the US might not have been involved in events.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You would be surprised what you can do. Most of the time the only things that prevent people from doing actions like this are societal convention or the feeling that you have too much to lose. These fears are compounded by copaganda that convinces you that detectives will ultimately find out that it was you that committed the act. The truth is that anyone who is knowledgeable and possesses certain resources can perform acts like this with only a small group of people and get away with it, maybe not always with a clean record though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

all the targets i would want to fedposting are high profile enough that they'd have the competent spooks looking into it

like if you get a militia together you can probably liberate a concentration camp but nobody is getting away with that

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean it's still a state. Lot easier to forge all kinds of documents and get stuff if you'rea already a state.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but that only matters if you want to avoid getting caught afterwards.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

If you can talk the US into turning a blind eye you can pull off a lot

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

i think we're capable of more than we think

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

The amount of explosives and specialist diving equipment required to do this is actually not trivial.

The idea half a dozen dudes did this in a small yacht is laughable.

The nato ships doing “exercises” to “train” for exactly this type of operation that were in the exact area about 2 weeks beforehand is the immensely more plausible explanation, which points to the UK and USA, probably with the cooperation of Denmark since it was just near to their waters and observation area.