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[–] [email protected] 146 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Trump doesn't need to withdraw from NATO. He just needs to give Putin additional top secret intelligence, ignore all treaties, and do whatever the fuck he wants to do. Seriously, does anyone expect anything else?

[–] [email protected] 77 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Trump can still fuck Ukraine, but now it's harder to fuck up NATO and international relations for decades to come. Different things.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As much as I hope you are correct, I’m not going to bet that he can’t fuck with our international relations for decades to come.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's that pesky nuance thing nobody seems to be able to get these days again.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And you think giving NATO intelligence to Putin won't screw up our relations with NATO and other nations? Because that's what he would do if reelected. Hell, knowing Trump, he'd probably invite Putin to the swearing in, and give him Top secret materials as a goody bag when he went home.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

When he’s sworn in, he’ll put his hand on the pee tapes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Alternate possibility: he lets Ukraine fall, Russia, China, and/or NK are emboldened to attack NATO countries, and we have to send troops to war.

Trump invokes wartime powers and just never stops.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Or he does all that except sending the troops.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

He'll just declare war on Iran.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Trump can openly say he won't ever allow US military intervention as part of NATO article 5, so even if the US remains in NATO it's teeth are gone.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If Trump is elected, honestly we have bigger problems than backing up NATO forces. I mean, at least there are NATO forces besides the US. It would be bad, but literally everything about it would be bad for everyone everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

If he regains the presidency ever again, the world as a whole is fucked, the amount of cascading chaos can not be understated.