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"You don't think we should do anything about Ukraine?"
Me: "Nope. NATO shouldn't be encroaching on Russia, they're violating non-expansion agreements. And every clip I see of the war, the Ukrainian soldiers are sporting Nazi symbols on their uniforms."
"But that Putin is just another Trump!"
Me: "Yep. And the war is a bunch of awful people fighting other awful people, throwing more guns at it isn't going to stop it. We could be spending that support money on taking care of people here at home. We should massively defund the military and pull back our expeditionary units and close our bases around the world."
"Then what will stop China from invading?!".
Me: "Unlike the US government, China isn't surrounding every adversarial county with bases; that should clue you in about their values and priorities".
I hate that everytime I bring this up, libs always go "but Chyna is so agressive in the South China Sea! We need them there!
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"Which sea? Didn't hear you... The south what sea? Sorry, it's kinda loud in here. South China Sea? China is in the South China Sea? Where is that anyway?"
Every lib who says this has no idea what the eleven dash line is
Um....my brain just had a very lib thought (though in lib fashion, I still think it applies). This actually reminds me of strategies in war games where you keep building troop manufacturing buildings and fortresses next to places you plan to invade next, or plan hostilities towards.
You could be building them as a way to protect allies, but if your foreign policy is pretty hostile to nations in the area (militarily, economically and/or politically), and you have a history of extremely violent aggression, if I was on the other side, I would absolutely expect the worst. You can either be Iraq and appeasement policy yourself into a violent invasion and the murder of a million of your people, or you can be North Korea and threaten to YOLO the other side and split the millions of deaths among yourselves. One got invaded, and the other one hasn't. China pulls its punches a lot, but I'm glad they don't back down.
Not just in war games, staging grounds and fall back points are very important for a flexible invasion strategy!