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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

In what warped reality is the President of the United States not “an officer of the US”?

The one where POTUS is the only "officer" not mentioned in section 3 of the 14th amendment. This was brought up in the case today at 1:57:10 https://www.youtube.com/live/6VpJKUscNaM?si=r1DuX5F82so1XaTB&t=7032

Justice Jackson asks,

Then why didn't they put the word President in the very enumerated list in section 3? They were listing people that were barred and president is not there.

Murray (representing Colorado Voters) answered this referring to the debates in congress that occurred over section 3.

Johnson said why haven't you included president in the language? Moore responds, we have. Look at the language any office under the United States...

Jackson cuts in,

doesn't that at least suggest ambiguity?

This part was very satisfying to hear...

Murray goes on to argue (1:59:03) that those listed in the section three (presidential electors and senators and representatives) do not hold offices while the constitution does say the presidency does hold an office (though he didn't indicate where is says this).

Jackson moves on from this after saying she appreciated the argument.

I felt this was a very important and convincing exchange. So, fingers crossed.


Reference https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/section-3/

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding Office

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.