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Netanyahu aims to trap west into war across Middle East, warns Iranian diplomat
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 17 Apr 2024
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That's not how I would read that. That would make me want to destroy the facilities the weapons came from
This is not a defense of Israel's choices, this is a hypothetical response to an enemy making clear an engagement pattern is not in my favor. Find a new engagement.
Bombing American factories would be a hell of an escalation.
I get you're trying to gotcha me, but you proved my point. If Iran had the means to go after American weapons production facilities, that certainly would be another engagement pattern.
They don't really have the means to do so, so it's irrelevant.
I never suggested Iran's course of action wrt Israel was nonsensical, in the context of retaliation to Israel's embassy bombing (which was despicable)
Edit what we are discussing here is now Israel's next response to Iran, in light of them not being able to afford to shoot down tons of Iranian drones.
What has happened has happened, and we have no signal that iran and Israel are going to leave the extremism behind, and start a big happy family.
Israel will be seeking a new vector of retaliation, and they can't just sit back and try to shoot down drones.
I get you probably want to respond that they should just cease all aggression and the drones would stop. I agree but that's not what's happening.
Likewise I agree that the us should absolutely stop supplying / supporting Israel, but that also isn't what's happening.
Don't both sides this shit, Iran has been exceedingly level headed in the face of multiple acts of war, making only token or equal responses after having their ships stolen, a civilian airliner shot down, the guy who beat ISIS assassinated while on a diplomatic mission, their IAEA compliant nuclear program attacked, sanctions, violations of treaties, etc.
Lol, as I said,
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/18787945
Iran is a authoritarian theocracy, seeking Israel's destruction. That's all I'm implying.
Israel is commiting genocide. I am,.and have never apologized for them.
Israel is a authoritarian theocracy, seeking Iran's destruction.
Yet only one of these parties is actively killing the others top generals.
Let's be clear here, they both would love to do so.
So yeah, they are "both sides" on that count.
They are both authoritarian theocracies too.
One is conducting genocide.
Anyway, you.dont need to defend Iran or denounce Israel. We can agree both are terrible, but one is actively worse right now.
The point was about chained escalation, and the actions Israel might take now, given the whole drone situation. I make zero comment on the rationality of how they got here.
There is no chained escalation. Israel started this by bombing their embassy and killing a top General. A blatant act of war.
Iran's response is showing extreme restraint and the only death toll seems to be a single Palestinian girl that got hit by debris from an interception. Which is very unfortunate but clearly not intentional.
Israel is the only party on the escalation ladder here. What Iran did was the opposite.
There's how we got here, which I acknowledged is majority Israels fault, and there's what happens right next.
Israel will make a move, and we were discussing what that will be.
Folks here are hung up on "Israel bad!" Which we both are saying. Folks here are incapable of thinking hypothetically about the future.
That future guaranteed includes a response to the drone attack.
Well the problem here is pretending that if Iran did not retaliate then israel would stop. As we can see in the Lebensraum expansion israel is currently committing in the West Bank, israel never stops if people don't fight back.
The escalation ladder is a one man show called israel. Even if Iran did nothing back this time israel would still escalate. Israel would start bombing more consulates and assassinate more Iranian top Generals.