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The geneticist Jim Wilson, at the University of Edinburgh, was shocked by the frequency he found in the U.K. Biobank, an anonymized research database: One in 7,000 people, according to his unpublished analysis, was born to parents who were first-degree relatives—a brother and a sister or a parent and a child. “That’s way, way more than I think many people would ever imagine,” he told me. And this number is just a floor: It reflects only the cases that resulted in pregnancy, that did not end in miscarriage or abortion, and that led to the birth of a child who grew into an adult who volunteered for a research study.

Most of the people affected may never know about their parentage, but these days, many are stumbling into the truth after AncestryDNA and 23andMe tests.

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[–] [email protected] 155 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Love a news article that let's you read down a while before cutting you off to reveal its a pay to view site.

Fuck those sites.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Firefox reader mode just grabs the text and images and let's me read the whole article on most of these sites.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And if it doesn't load it all, just reload the page 😘

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

You all are awesome. Finding out new features every day with Firefox. Glad I returned.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Archive.ph

Unlock anything. I’ve been using it exclusively since 10ft doesn’t always work

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Whole article shows up when opened in reader mode

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is the Atlantic to be fair so you might not be missing much. This from a magazine that endorsed the Shakespeare conspiracy repeatedly.

If you can lie about one thing, you can lie about two....

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What Shakespeare conspiracy?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That he didn't write the plays and presumably the poems. It's basically flat earthers for the literature. The Atlantic ran a piece advocating for it and then ran two other pieces about how great they were for running the original piece.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 5 months ago (3 children)

One in 7,000 people, according to his unpublished analysis, was born to parents who were first-degree relatives—a brother and a sister or a parent and a child. “That’s way, way more than I think many people would ever imagine,”

Now I'm not walking around thinking I'm living in a porn movie, but a rate of 0.014% is not what I would call shocking.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (15 children)

And this number is just a floor: It reflects only the cases that resulted in pregnancy, that did not end in miscarriage or abortion, and that led to the birth of a child who grew into an adult who volunteered for a research study.

Either way, what number of parent raping and impregnating their child or sibling raping and impregnating their sibling would be shocking to you? Because to most people it's probably "anything that isn't zero".

[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 months ago (4 children)

It's shocking to you that rape exists? Clearly its a bad thing and shouldn't happen, and it's upsetting, but I would disagree that most people would be shocked if you told them "more than zero rapes happened this year".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

While I agree with you in principle, I actually do think that 1/7k is unexpectedly high. If 1/10k people had an incestuous relationship, that would be low enough that I wouldn't find it surprising. This study, if we take it to be cross-sectional, implies that the rate of incidence is much higher, at least on the order of 1/1k, possibly something around 1%. I don't know the frequency that people of incestuous individuals have a child as a result, but the idea of it being higher than 1/7 strikes me as unlikely. Of course, multiple children can result from a pairing, so that has the potential to sway the numbers, but I'd hope that incestuous individuals are less likely to desire children from the relationship, and as a result would take a pregnancy as a sign to stop.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

And this number is just a floor: It reflects only the cases that resulted in pregnancy, that did not end in miscarriage or abortion, and that led to the birth of a child who grew into an adult who volunteered for a research study.

Meaning that this could be an indication of a wider incest....problem?......trend?.....idk....

Edit: it was literally the next sentence....

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago

Given the number of blathering idiots there are, I'm kinda surprised inbreeding isn't even more common.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (16 children)

I’ve been thinking it’s pretty common for a while, just because of how common a version of it with plausible deniability for the downsides (step siblings, etc.) is in porn. I know people say it’s just to appeal to people who really like it and the rest can just mute, but that’s very unconvincing. I always have porn muted, because the sounds don’t do much for me and just about every person I talk to about this (not a lot, so grain of salt) is surprised that anyone would mute as a rule. Secondly, I don’t think you really need words to pick up on the incest vibe.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

My theory about all the step sibling porn is that they’re trying to get you to pay for the “normal” porn. “Yes you can watch it for free…but wouldn’t it be better if it wasn’t so weird?” I don’t think most people find those story lines appealing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sibling or other incestuous roleplay is super common actually. The step sibling stuff on porn sites afaik was once again enforced from their payment providers or advertisers. Because people who aren't related, but acting like they are, are apparently turning the world into Sodom & Gomorrah, and based on some of those weird virgin or conspiracytard comments here it seems that some people actually do believe this too.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wait, there are people who don’t mute?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

The UK actually has a big issue with incest. Especially with cousins. Causes loads of child fatalities.

Really big issue with people from Asia, incest is the norm there.

Edit for those downvoting me is this a recorded issue. It's been in the news. Just because it doesnt fit the narrative or we arent meant to talk about those things doesn't mean it isn't happening.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Is the UK like Brazil where cousins relationships aren't illegal?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

Well there's 8 billion humans and 331 million Americans so

Over a million humans and almost 50k Americans.

Rad

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If 1/7000 kids are the product of incest, I'm guessing that 1//500 have been lied to about their biological father; looking at you royal family of England.

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[–] Debs 7 points 5 months ago

A bit off topic but, here is the latest episode from the podcast Citations Needed. They talk about the Atlantic's shitty politics. It made me not want to give them any views.

https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-198-how-the-atlantic-magazine-helps-sell-austerity-and-war-to-middlebrow-liberals

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