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submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Saw this today, and ... well, I'm not going to be so forgiving to people suggesting to vote Third Party rather than vote for Biden. If Trump wants me to do something, and you want me to do that same something, that tells me you're aligned with Trump.

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[-] [email protected] 120 points 3 months ago

Oh, you mean like all of those "I can't bring myself to vote for Biden because he's not doing enough for Palestine" comments everywhere?

[-] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago

It's not even clever. It's the same strategy as 2016 promoting Jill Stein.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

And Jill Stein all those other times too...

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[-] [email protected] 40 points 3 months ago

Better, I've gotten some of these:

"Because of YOU PERSONALLY I am going to vote for Trump but was going to vote for Biden before"

[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

I saw a couple of those just today.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

Oh no if only a single person on the internet hadn't upset them, they could have voted for harm reduction. But now they have to vote contrary to what they want. So tragic.

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago

But how else can someone feel morally superior while simultaneously assisting the candidate that will accelerate any genocides going on in other countries?

[-] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago

the candidate that will accelerate any genocides going on in other countries?

Or, indeed, in Palestine itself. Trump, after all, is the candidate who wants Netanyahu to "finish the job" of killing them off.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Yeah! Therefore I will throw my vote in the trash and let "finish the job" Donald lead further conflicts. That will help things.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Or all the jagoffs talking about how Zelenskyy is a "Nazi" and blaming Biden/Ukraine for what Putin has done...

[-] [email protected] 89 points 3 months ago

looking to try to find ways to divide voters they fear will back President Joe Biden, by boosting other candidates and wedge issues in the Democratic Party.

That's been the Republican platform for several decades.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago

Right? I was thrown off by the word "secretive" in the headline.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Its basic strategy in any campaign. Also, I'm not super convinced that RFK jr is really taking any votes from the left. The campaign seems to think they are, but isn't releasing any data on this.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

The polls I've seen with/without RFK seem to be pretty back and forth. I wouldn't be surprised for them to be aware of how he impacts votes in very specific counties they feel they need to win.

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 3 months ago

I think Biden supporters are uhh.. plenty divided. No need for help..

[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Not really on basic principles. Just on methods and approaches. There's general agreement that the civilian casualties in Gaza are too high, for instance. The debate is do we try to maintain some influence over Netanyahu to try to sway him, or do we just cut them off and then whatever happens over there is whatever happens, we'd wash our hands of it.

Then the people that go after him more hardcore aren't exactly the strongest "supporters".

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

that go after him more hardcore aren’t exactly the strongest “supporters”.

Yeah that's just patently untrue. The people going hard in the paint on Biden from the left are your hardcore progressive and leftist base. People that actually volunteer on campaigns, donate, go door to door, sign people up to vote and otherwise do work to get people elected. Think our revolution, justice democrats, extinction rebellion etc... Its not people passively engaged in politics that are activated and engaged in these organizations which are fundamental to getting any Democrats elected. Its activated, deeply engaged, strongly opinionated people who do the work of getting Democrats elected.

And this highlights the divide in Biden's support. You have armchair centrists who basically do almost nothing and are only minimally engaged in the political process wagging their fingers saying "Any Blue Will Do" at the cohort of individuals who are being critical of Biden, but whom are also operate the cranks of the actual machines that gets Democrats elected. Any leftist worth their salt understands strategic voting, but that's not the point. The point has been that this neo-liberal, technocratic approach to voting that Democratic centrists are insisting on, is losing and will continue to lose this election. The only thing that has kept Biden in this game was an activist rebellion within the Democratic primary system that forced his response, and he's only really offered a papier-mâché stiffening of his rhetoric on Israel, but has done basically nothing to fix the underlying issue. IF Biden doesn't fundamentally shift his position on Gaza and Israel now, this is over. He's lost this election.

In this vein, the only thing that can actually save Biden from him self is a complete and total rebellion within the DNC voter base, and to basically drag Biden to a better policy position. Otherwise he will lose this election. The lame ass excuse of "Well Trump would be worse" is actually working against Biden right now, because Biden is actually the president, not Trump. The phrase "The buck stops here" is so apropos in this situation, that its almost comical.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think that few people are Biden supporters and more are "We have to get Biden in so that Trump doesn't get in and hopefully someone younger will come by for the next round but he's still better than the alternative by a mile".

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This thread is a dumpster fire. If you would vote for Biden but won't because of some Israel BS here then you are handing the vote for trump, who says:

Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas, his most definitive position on the conflict since the terror group killed 1,200 Israelis and took more than 200 hostages on Oct. 7. ... "When President Trump is back in the Oval Office, Israel will once again be protected, Iran will go back to being broke, terrorists will be hunted down, and the bloodshed will end.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905

And we haven't even discussed trump essentially saying he'd let Russia take Ukraine.

Voting tor trump? This is what you'll get. So ***** you if you think not voting for Biden is some kind of solution, you'll just get trump letting the Israelis hunt everyone down.

[-] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

It's all over lemmy, every thread has massive amounts of genocide Joe or vote 3rd party comments.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

I don’t know how “secretive” the scheme is. Seems pretty out in the open to me.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Secret? Their playbook literally has four bullet points and this is #2.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Fuck Trump but the Democrats did this to Republicans in the last two election cycles. They specifically boosted MAGA Republicans in the Primaries because they knew they'd fail in the General. This isn't some secret evil scheme that Republicans pulled out of their ass, it's turnabout. As for boosting wedge issue both parties have literally been doing that for a hundred years!

Modern journalism is a raging dumpster fire.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

The difference is the electoral college in the pres election requires 270. Primaries don't. You're comparing apples to oranges.

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