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Republican county commissioner has been unseated in Michigan after losing to her Democratic challenger by 20 percentage points.

Chris Kleinjans won an Ottawa County election on Tuesday with 60 percent of the vote share, while the Republican incumbent Lucy Ebel lost, having received 40 percent.

Michigan is a battleground state that will be key to November's presidential election. Donald Trump won the county with 61 percent of the vote in 2020.

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[–] [email protected] 188 points 3 months ago (1 children)

More of this please and thank you.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 3 months ago (3 children)

You can definitely expect more. Democrats are consistently over-performing versus the polls.

Polling is kinda broken right now.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I blame phone companies for that. They've had the ability to block scam calls for a while but haven't because it makes them money. Now people don't even bother answering their phones anymore, especially if it's an unknown number, so the only people who respond to polls aren't representative of the population.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Blame the FCC. It used to be illegal to telemarket to cell numbers.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago

You can blame congress as well. They could be making laws to help with this

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think I'll blame the people who actually have the capability of doing something about it. They could have done this years ago.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I don't think the phone companies have the power you imagine them to have.

If the entire global was controlled by a single entity they could stop this but that's not the reality. There are tons of gateway providers that you have never heard of.

This is literally the job of the FCC and they are already working on it but it takes time to herd this many cats. The big ones have already done their part.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There’s just no incentive. The market is going to dictate that carriers allow this to happen.

It has to be regulated. But “the market” also has its hand in congress’s underpants - the same congress that passes laws, and approves assignments, so only “approved“ people make their way to regulatory positions.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As far as I’m aware, there is a website that allows you to sign up to stop receiving these calls in the US. It’s worked for me and I never get sales calls anymore.

Sign up here

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

And really people are not making phone calls nearly as much as they used to. The pollsters need to find a reasonably unbiased method to sample people on other communication methods.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

I get texts about polls but I would rather jump on a live grenade than answer an unsolicited communication, be that a text or anything else, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

I did a weekly email survey in 2016 for $5 gift cards each time. That definitely worked but I can't imagine it's sustainable. Paying people also probably comes with an entirely different sort of bias.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't see myself as too much of a loner or anything but I had a friend call me out of the blue during lunch and I just kept thinking.

Why oh why are you not texting me?

I'm horrible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

For me it's "why are you not texting" followed quickly by "oh god who died?!"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

I would like a federal law that allows me to receive $1 from any caller if I decide I didn't like the call. If at any point there is a failure to trace the call back to the caller, that point of failure pays the dollar on behalf of the true culprit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

It's been over a decade since I answered a call from a number that wasn't programmed into my phone. I won't return the call unless a voicemail is left.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

my phone will actually tell me ahead of time if it thinks the call is spam, a scam, or if it's a business what kind of business it's likely to be. but yeah, still don't answer anything that isn't in my contacts or from my local area code. text me or leave a voicemail. or don't, I don't really wanna talk to anybody as a rule anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

The name’s Likely. Scam Likely.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I don't answer any call that's not in my phone from anywhere that's not in my work region of like a third of the country and my own area code. Most scams for me are either my area code or come out or California for some reason.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even if Dems are outperforming polls, I don't want anyone feeling comfortable that Biden is going to win. Literally everyone needs to feel panic and dread about the upcoming election, and vote in downticket races as well.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Its funny right? Polling has been broken since basically post 2012.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Holy shit. I’m not sure people understand how big a deal this is for Ottawa County.

Ottawa County contains the town that voted to close its library over LGBT books. Ottawa County is where Betsy DeVos lives. Ottawa County had their commission taken over by a far right group called Ottawa Impact that tried to oust the county health officer and replace her with someone completely unqualified because of mask requirements.

Ottawa County is home to a congressional district that hasn’t gone Democrat since the civil rights movement.

This is kind of huge.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is this Holland michigan? With the windmills and shit?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is this Holland michigan? With the windmills and shit?

Yes. I’m not sure why you’re being downvoted. Specifically this commissioner represents parts of Holland Township and Park Township, apparently.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Ha I just went to see the tulips there

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As someone who’s never heard of the place: Ottawa county honestly sounds like a shit place to live.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago

Well a 31 point swing is a promising signal.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A. It was a recall election (though still good).

B. Was this district affected by redistricting?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's a county office, which usually means the "district" is the whole county. Unless it happens to work differently in this specific case.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Nope, Ottawa County is still just a county. However, in the last election, the county commission got taken over by Ottawa Impact, a group of extremely far right activists that have proven very popular to a smaller segment of the population, and wildly unpopular with the majority of people in and around the county. It appears that there’s starting to be a backlash to their idiocy and hatred from the folks with any sense, it’s good to see

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Michigan is a battleground state that will be key to November’s presidential election.

Friendly reminder that, thanks to the US-backed genocide of Palestinians in Gaza, we saw fully 13% of Democrats refuse to support Joe Biden in the Michigan primary

This, in a state where Democrat primary turnout was 768,158 relative to Republican primary turnout of 1,113,719.

This war is going to Jimmy Carter the Democrats in November, if they don't change course in a hurry.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

13% of democrats submitted a protest vote. That is not the same as refusing to vote for Biden in November. I hope that anyone who supports the Palestinian cause can recognize just how much worse it will get under a Trump administration.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Lol unless Biden changes course, SE Michigan alone will ensure his loss of the state.

Dearborn does not screw around and will happily take 4 years of Trump if their demands are not met. They were very aware of Hillary's sketchy past as Secretary of State when she ran in 2016 and she lost Michigan because only 10k people didn't vote for her.

And iirc the total turnout was already like 400k less compared to Obama.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

By 20 points?! Oof!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

He’ll have to take it lying down.

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