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“Communists” crying over dead occupation soldiers and fascists, equating fascists to those who resist genocide

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[-] [email protected] 105 points 1 month ago

If you refuse conscription to the IDF they just put you in jail for a while, they don't fucking kill you

fucking clown shit

[-] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah but once you serve your sentence they can just conscript you to serve again, which means it's back to jail.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the IDF incompetence is actually fragging

[-] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago

I would literally rather go to jail multiple times than agree to join the baby flamethrower duty squad

[-] [email protected] 88 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There are many who are: Sofia Orr, 18; Tamar Alon, 18; Tal Mitnick, 18; Tamar Ze’evi, 19; lots of kids choosing jail over genocide. We should definitely celebrate them.

Tal Mitnick has been serving consecutive 30 day sentences since December as far as I can find. Strangely, this topic isn't being covered much by media. Weird!

[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

Makes me think of the legacy of Sophie Scholl. Those young people are being brave as hell.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Just leave the country lmao

[-] [email protected] 103 points 1 month ago

Ultras be like: the haitians are killing proletariat slave owners 💔

[-] [email protected] 66 points 1 month ago

"The Cubans killed a bunch of small business owners"

[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

Mom and pops sugar refineries

[-] [email protected] 73 points 1 month ago

There's literally a guy in that thread defending wehrmacht conscripts I'm gonna die how are these people real

[-] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago

Someone got banned for posting this image in the comment mocking them

[-] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago

...Is 7DeadlyFetishes in there?!

[-] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago
[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

I never even got to see the thread. Genuinely didn’t expect for 7DF to drop a bomb like that.

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[-] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago

I can still feel bad that millions of Germans got killed. But you know who's fault that was? Themselves in aggregate and the nazis specifically. I'm not going to defend the average Fritz. Especially because they had all the fucking guns. Armies exist, in theory, to defend their people. The German army failed that task. They should have deposed the nazis and surrendered when their homeland was under invasion. The outcome of the war was settled it just hadnt ended yet. Instead they fought on, more innocents got killed for the egos of their genocidal masters. I can't defend that shit even on Opposite Day. Fuckin ultras.

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[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago

wojak-nooo nooooooooooooooooooo you don't understand they'd have had to suffer material consequences for adhering to principles instead of being given a gold star and being told you're a good boy by the teacher

[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago

Bordiga was and remains a blight on communist discourse

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[-] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago

I don’t really understand ultras. They seem to see themselves as being the farthest left you can get while being the stereotypical armchair leftists that talk revolution and do nothing outside of that.

[-] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I always thought Ultra Lefts were a CIA job, since they only really exists on the internet to troll the Left (from the left), never ran into one in real life. Then I read an obituary of one...but then again it might just be the CIA being elaborate heh

[-] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago

Well, ultras go back much further than the CIA does. Lenin famously wrote about the phenomenon as an infantile disorder back in 1920. But that's not to say that the disorder hasn't been often used by the likes of the CIA and anticommunists in general as one of the many tools in their bag to smear and discredit actual Marxist-Leninists. There are plenty of genuine ultras out there but finding the line that differentiates them from psyops is usually a fool's errand. Honestly, I think there are some ultras whose hearts really are in the right place, they just crucially failed at the materialist part of dialectical materialism. The jackass in OP is not one of these.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

MKULTRA leftists

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[-] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago

One of the most basic creeds of leftism is "capitalist imperialism and colonialism bad"

[-] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago

No don’t you understand? All countries are capitalist which means all countries are imperialist which means they are all exactly equal and there’s no stance we can ever take on anything because it’s all the same

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[-] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago

Bruh what the fuck is that subreddit how do these people call themselves leftist

[-] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

It constantly treads the line of being a parody, and it is good for my sanity to believe that they understand that.

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[-] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago

Cry about it hamas-red-triangle

[-] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm both confuzzled and amused.

Ultras are the worst types of people. Full support when they get gulag in an actual revolution.

[-] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

One of the ultra left mods bans someone for questioning the insanity of these responses.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago

These ultra arguments aren't even just spinning weird contrarian academics, it's complete reality denial.

I think the most recent poll of Israelis put the 'approve of the actions in Gaza' combined with 'should go further' at 78%.

That's only going to be high in the IDF, even taking into account conscription, because a) the most opposed wouldn't serve so aren't wouldn't be part of the IDF sample and b) the majority of the IDF is not made up of freshly drafted 18 year old conscripts.

So maybe there's like 1 or 2 guys there at statistical most who aren't totally comfortable with the genocide but still not enough to dodge it or go to jail for a bit.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's a reason Gramsci rotted in prison while Mussolini didn't even bother killing Bordiga.

From NATOpedia:

Bordiga was released in 1931 on the occasion of his niece’s marriage to a fascist. He also posed in a group of Blackshirts and the photograph was published in a fascist newspaper.

What a fucking snake.

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[-] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago

What do ultras even believe? I can't decipher this nonsense looking at their sub.

[-] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That the only true proletarian revolution in human history was in 1917 and then after that it was immediately corrupted and no other revolution happened ever again. They like to say they are more Leninist than Lenin, but in reality they are more Trotskyist than Trotsky.

There is no urgency among them to take any type of action, form any type of organization, support any kind of cause, and in fact doing any of that is derided and mocked.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

wtf-am-i-reading do they have brains? This is why we need copper pipes.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

more Leninist than Lenin

Heard this to the tune of White Zombie - More Human Than Human

[-] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

"Ultra" is a big blanket term that usually just means any alleged "communist" who explicitly rejects all successful socialist movements as failures for one reason or another. As a result, it can seem like they have completely incoherent and contradictory beliefs because there are a lot of types of ultra. Basically anyone who declares AES as invalid or revisionist is usually an ultra, and anyone who rejects materialism in favour of idealism. Pretty much anytime someone claims to be the "one true leftist" they're an ultra.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

Usually Bordigists, of the Italian Communist Party. It's a fork of Orthodox Marxism that accepts Lenin but denounces Marxism-Leninism.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

I once saw a thread there (highly upvoted) claiming that communists should have done revolutionary defeatist in the soviet union during ww2. They are basically lapdog of fascism with a red coat. I have seen a high number of ultras being sympathetic to fascists.

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago

kombucha-disgust An infantile disorder, indeed.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago

Deeply unserious

[-] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

No you see if you'd just let them kill several myriads more Ghazzan children they would've y'know achieved class consciousness and stuff somehow, and that would've made up for them killing myriads of Ghazzan children somehow

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The only relevant point to make is that these people have made no condemnation of the murder of Palestinian proletariat, they can claim "The workingman has no country" if they wish, but their banner is an Israeli flag and they care only for one side. I.e. they're just liberals. What's worse they're idealists doing flag fucking under the guise of communism.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Wait there are people who consider themselves ultraleftists

[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

It’s left comms and stupidpol types. They act like they are the purest Marxian scholars and everyone else is stupid and wrong about what socialism means (talk a lot about commodities and other Marxian buzzwords to signal they are theory readers) but they are racist, aligned with imperialists, not committed to anti-fascism, and generally just never want to accomplish anything.

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