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Tbf I am compelled to correct that there is in fact a sizable ML and otherwise left wing contigent on Tumblr and last time I browsed tumblr there was quiet a lot of anti-Biden/Democrat sentiment. But people there tend to just stick to their own corners outside of the occasional clash.

This kind of presumes the policy difference here is between, say, the Nazis and the SPD (who btw were shooting communists dead in the street as late as 1930) and not, say, the Nazis and the DNVP. There are purity tests, and genocide is a pretty fair one.

Ultimately though if you're for "harm reduction", only foreign policy matters by an order of magnitude, and you should vote for whoever will fuck up US hegemony the most.

Ever hear that liberalism is the moderate wing of facism? Today's Democrat Party is now the party of and Cheney. Look up ratchet effect. Every election it just gets more right wing. Mostly because the Democrats have the same bribers as Republicans and the Democrats have no actual left to compete with to balance that pull to the right from Republicans.

Here is a 2nd thought video on how the US ended up with two right wing parties.

The benifet is tearing down the facade that we have a democracy and forcing the establishment to acknowledge 3rd parties (including in debates by default, matching public funds, news articles showing the significance) , as well as popularizing 3rd parties and getting 3rd parties elected in local representation.

As former DNC operative and current DNC media wonk Lawrence O'Donnell said "We didn't have to listen to ANYTHING on the left.....if you want to move the party to the way you are thinking you MUST show that you are capable of not voting for them."

Remember how big a deal those "non committed" votes were in the Primary? How much they made a stink of Jill Stein's votes in 2016? That's what hurts the empire. Because it is run on "consent", enough votes not consenting to the system to the point they can't ignore / fudge with is extremely significant.

Committing genocide isn't left leaning

The Democrats are a ratchet for the political spectrum in the US

Biden isn't a leftist but he's as left as the Democrats will get going forward. Like a ratchet, the Overton window slides right and then stops leftward at whatever the current Democratic president is, in this case Biden

The next one won't be Sanders, won't be AOC, won't be some surprise other SocDem candidate. The next one will be either Biden 2.0 or further right, and on and on

At best, Democrats are absolutely toothless. Plenty of red states are passing abortion outlawing and anti-queer laws, and the Democrats haven't done shit. "Oh but the President is limited in what he can do" "oh but the senate, the Democrats will be filibustered" who gives a fuck. They haven't even raised their heads from their desks, let alone done any attempt to fight for these rights. All they're doing is preventing the laws from getting worse at a federal level, if that, and that'll change immediately on the next election regardless of who wins

There is no "going from there". Voting for a candidate is inplicit support of everything the candidate does. You cannot vote for a candidate and then pick and choose your support, they don't give a fuck, all they care about is that they won on their platform. Biden will not move any left from his position, Democrats literally never have been pushed left. Any time there's left pressure, they call it loony leftist behaviour and go run to the Republicans for some bipartisan crackdowns

A lesser evil is still an evil, especially when the lesser evil really isn't that much lesser

wouldn't you rather the more left leaning of the two win and go from there

lmao

Joe Biden initially was a Republican when he got his start, but he switched to the Democratic party early on because Watergate made Nixon too unappetizing. I feel like it's a good summation of who he is.

I get that they're both bad options and not wanting to vote for a guy supporting a genocide, but

No. Just don't. You do not have to do the actual bit here. Joe Biden is damn near as bad as Trump on literally everything. You do not have to defend him because he is marginally less awful on a handful of items, when one of the things he is as bad (or worse on) is 'committing genocide'.

Every single check they gave to Biden is a lie except for the doing genocide one, it's all bullshit lies, biden claimed that he would do something about some of these and then just didn't, none of this happened and if it did for some localities, it's because of local pressure or politics not Biden

I can acknowledge there is a marginal difference between Biden and Trump. However, by accepting whatever infinitesimally small difference there is and voting for Biden, that is effectively an endorsement of everything Biden has done over the last four years (not just Gaza, but also things like breaking the railroad strike). Do that and not only does the left lose whatever small leverage we have, but it also signals to Biden that yes, go ahead and brutally murder thousands of innocent little kids, the left will eventually fall in line no matter what. This means the next time there’s a genocide (say that Israel decides to completely annex the West Bank and ethnically cleans the Palestinians there) the Democrats will have zero fear of any consequences of being a critical partner to Israel in that genocide.

Thanks for asking by the way! We're always happy to answer good faith questions like this from folks who aren't around here :)