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[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 months ago (4 children)

If you haven't read The Grapes of Wrath, you really should. It goes hard, and it's obscenely relevant despite being like 80 years old.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The Grapes of Wrath, one of the few things older than Genocide Joe

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You just made me wonder if I owned anything that was older than Biden.

I struggled to think of anything for a hot minute, but remembered my great grandmother passing me down her antique mirror.

Problem is that I don't know when she got it and I think she was born some time in the 1920s, so I think it's likely I don't have anything older than our fucking corpse emperor.

Edit: technically I have some quartz geodes but they got set up for display a few decades ago.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The movie made only a couple years after the book was written is solid as well. I work with food and it's a book I literally think about every day.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

Throwing away 200-300 dollars of inventory while my managers and some coworkers are giddy talking about the thief that got arrested by cops while stealing expensive food doomer

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Also, it inspired Springsteen's Ghost of Tom Joad, which is 🔥🔥🔥.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (2 children)

really such an incredibly powerful passage. I don't even need to read the rest of the book

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

But you should lol

It's really deserved its accolades. Furthermore, there are some really interesting parts outside of this where Marxist concepts are explained in these (in my opinion) really engaging side chapters which offer greater insight into the surrounding world and situation of the time.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

crazy how they have the food, but people can't eat because of pieces of paper. worse, nowadays its just variables on a computer system. bits and bytes stored in some hard disks somewhere. i cannot overstate how this blows my mind so i'm not going to even try.

brazil is one of the biggest producers of food yet a huge chunk of the population is going through food insecurity right now. we have H U G E amounts of unused, deforested, ready to use land and we could probably feed the entire planet. by ourselves if we really wanted to. just sitting on the hands of someone like this to use in service of the aforementioned bits instead. (no but actually him, hes literally one of them)

dunno about you but i think we can do much better, folks. fuck capitalism. is there a fate worse than death we can make for capitalism and its perpetrators? maybe slow painful death? this one made me kind of angry and i needed sleep instead how the fuck am i supposed to sleep now.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

someone like this

This motherfucker founded the vulture capitalist gang who ruined one of my final treats, Kraft Dinner. It tastes like crap now! In this paper we will explain how capitalis— 🧵(1/227)

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 months ago (2 children)

soypoint-1 omg they did grapes of wrath in real life soypoint-2

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago

Brought to you by the people who built the Torment Nexus™️ popularised by the book "Please Don't Build The Torment Nexus"

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago

Not for the first time.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

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The LineThe works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit—and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains.

And the smell of rot fills the country.

Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificates—died of malnutrition—because the food must rot, must be forced to rot.

The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quicklime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.


Edit: Pasted the actual section from the text [Penguin Classics e-book edition from 2000]; serves me right for grabbing someone's half-assed transcription

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Lol, you're missing some of the best parts.

spoilerThe works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Now we just need to find a sad Bart Simpson impersonator to read this.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago

A lil earlier in that passage it was also literally about pouring kerosene on oranges to make them inedible, like this is actually almost literally out of The Grapes of Wrath

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When people said we were doing the 30s again, this wasn't what immediately came to mind. Yet, here we are.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The only thing missing is the Soviet Union.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

We have the hegemony shift from the US to China though, that's kinda new

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

:yea:

Only this time there's no large leftist bloc to stand against them

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Will the libertarians approve or disapprove of this? Seems like something they should approve of in theory.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

They will say it was the only option to make line go down

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

Wait but the fascists told me Milei would fix the country in no time?!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

Honestly with how shit things have been getting in Argentina, the seeds of revolution should start growing soon.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

The world has too many people.

Am high, is sarcasm kitty-cri-screm

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

you need to add something more to your comment to make it clear that it's sarcasm.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Thanks, I edited it.

I'm just high listening to communist turkish songs but now I'm just laughing at myself. data-laughing

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

too many billionaires*

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

damn, i was about to call you a hitlerite nostalgia gooner, sorry

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

sicko-no

In order to atone for my transgression, if anyone is curious about populationist ideas about there being too many humans on the planet please read Too Many People? by Ian Angus and Simon Butler. I'm halfway currently myself but they present good arguments and backgrounds against populationist narratives, while presenting the economic system as the issue and arguing for that being replaced.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Same thing happens all over. EU have a mountain of diary products that goes into the furnaces now and then.

Cant sell stuff cheap, better to burn it or spoil it.

  • the best system we got /s
[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Stupid question: surely it would be good PR for your company to donate whatever won't sell to food banks and shit, right? I know they probably hang onto it until the absolute last minute, doomer but like cmon right?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why are they trashing it tho?
To keep the supply in line with demand to maintain the price?

Would the loss incurred here be better than that if they sold it cheaper?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

storage costs money. if no one is buying anything and your storage is getting filled the fastest way to get rid of it is to just dump it in the wild.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

The people must starve so the rich can feast

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So they consider the resources they spent to cultivate and harvest the fruit to be sunk cost?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Also fruit doesn't last forever it's not very shelf stable. So you have to harvest it when you can and if it doesn't sell in time you have to trash it. Nothing anyone can do with rotting tangerines. Make room for the new harvest by trashing the old harvest so you can at least try to sell something fresh rather than old fruit. There isn't really another option. Sure you could try to compost it or something but I'm sure these farms already are setup to compost a normal amount of waste, nothing useful to do with tons of extra fruit.

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