Sorry guys, rent-a-cops don't get the same murder privileges. Imagine going to prison for a hotel chain.
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A lot of rent-a-cops are regular cops off-duty, so I wouldn't be so sure.
i wouldn't say a lot. you'd be amazed how massive the private security industry is. it's mostly shit jobs that pay pile 15/hr for you to watch cameras and occasionally scan little wall dots to prove you walked down a hall.
my old roommate did this kind of security for a different building in Milwaukee. none of his coworkers were cops, nor were they trained in any meaningful way.
nor were they trained in any meaningful way.
Not much different than regular cops, then.
I knew a guy who had masters degree in philosophy that worked as a security guard. Turns out that the job market isn't great for philosophers.
Why didn't he teach philosophy, continuing the cycle?
I would say their qualified immunity shouldn't apply to their off-duty actions, but I wouldn't be so sure, and also I'm not American.
If that rent a cop was ever a member of the FOP hes going to slide like a bobsled.
FOP
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slide like a bobsled
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FOP
Fraternal Order of Police
slide like a bobsled
The charges won't stick. See: Teflon Don
FOP = Fraternal Order of Police
The other comment is stating that with the potential of a hypothetical FOP connection (aka the thin blue line), the issue would be swept under a rug.
Edit: just because it’s funny…
I wonder if the trying of investigating LEOs escapes them?
Check out how news orgs are covering this story.
Associated Press: "Milwaukee hotel employees fired after death of Black man who was pinned to the ground"
NBC: "Video shows Black man being pinned down by Milwaukee hotel security shortly before death"
CBS: "Milwaukee hotel workers fired after death of Black man pinned down outside"
ABC: "Al Sharpton to deliver eulogy for Black man who died after being held down by Milwaukee hotel guards"
CNN: "A Black man died after he was pinned to the ground by security guards at a Milwaukee hotel. Now his family wants answers"
Fox 6 Milwaukee: "Hyatt Regency Milwaukee death; man’s family gathers outside hotel"
Fox News: ""
These are the earliest stories posted by each outlet that I could find. The headlines speak volumes. The local Fox affiliate omits the fact that the man was black in the headline, and Fox News has yet to acknowledge it even happened, which was 12 days ago (June 30). I'm sure they'll get around to it, though.
Fox news is probably hard at work trying to find pictures of him on social media with a gun, or drugs, or anything that gives them the "he was no angel" narrative
Literally. This isn't even a joke, I guarantee there are people doing this as we speak.
Yep, because it is extremely effective on their base. Any reason they can discount a person as a bad one, or as a “criminal,” makes them a sub-human animal whose rights and worth can be completely disregarded.
I can hear some of my conservative family now. “Oh he got killed? WELL I GUESS HE SHOULDN’T HAVE CHOSEN TO STEAL/TAKE DRUGS/BE BLACK/BE A CRIMINAL HUH?!?”
yeah i wasn't making a joke either, they do this every time, the fact that they haven't reported on this just indicates to me they haven't found anything yet
All of them seem to be using the passive voice to. They should say something akin to "Video shows security guard pinning and killing black man."
That's standard practice as you can't say that the guard killed him until he's actually been convicted.
Using an active voice is perfectly fine. The standard practice is to use the term alleged if there is a possible crime. Saying "Security guard pins black man and man dies" is absolutely fine.
Hence why it was so incredibly satisfying to get the ruling on George Floyd, and henceforth officially refer to it as "the police murder of George Floyd" - a lot of people will even forcefully correct anyone that tries to refer to it as 'tragic death' or 'accidental death'.
Have you heard about the guy who police poked gently several times in the head with copper clad lead rods? He actually fell tragically to his death.
Then there was another instance where a guy fell asleep forever right after cops made big noises coming from their hands.
It's almost like conservatives are racist.
Probably because a good number of Trump's supporters are.
and Trump said it was ok
Witness video shows Dvontaye Mitchell, 43, lying on the ground and crying for help outside the Hyatt Regency hotel as security guards pin him down with their hands and knees. Mitchell can be heard grunting and yelling apologies.
What makes people like this? What kind of disease infects their minds that makes them capable of doing this to a fellow human being? That's not just standard racism. It's inhuman.
A lot of time, the justification to dehumanize comes from the news media, a religious figure, or some close relationships. Treating someone like they’re subhuman is a cultural thing, and people who do it do so with the understanding that they can “get away” with it because they have safety in numbers
Psychopathy is shockingly common. Technically, only 5% of people are full-blown psychopaths, but like all brain disorders it’s a spectrum, and everyone falls somewhere on that spectrum. At least 30% of the population exhibits sub-diagnostic psychopathic traits, such as an indifference to lying or a lack of moral compunction.
What people don’t understand about psychopathy is that it presents as an indifference (or an unresponsiveness) to empirical and normative facts. That is why psychopaths just do whatever feels good (which might include tormenting others), why they might be obsessed with money or power other pleasure-oriented goals.
The rules of war should be taught to all authority figures, they should also be forced to abide by them.
Once an enemy has been rendered combat ineffective, you are required to stop fighting them and render aid and security to them.
Unfortunately, it doesn't take very much to turn people into beasts.
Geee I wonder, maybe it’s the rampant disassociation with real tangible society and social norms, increasing calls for violence by political figures/service in the military, mental health crisis, I mean…
Really just take your pick. The reality is that society is not being treated and/or seeking treatment for mental disorders and are too busy stuffing their faces with addiction of a wide variety.
We are not okay.
That's standard racism. Look at history. It's standard.
hotel guards
What the actual fucking fuck is wrong with your society that you need fucking hotel guards?
but but but what if someone who only earns 5 figures needs to use a restroom without having booked a room 😨
Hotels/inns/taverns having dedicated security is pretty universal since like always? I’m not defending what happened here in any way, but balking at the idea security guards in general feels almost hilariously naive.
I always want to know the "why" behind these things, not because I think the victim deserved it, but because it pretty much always shows how disgustingly petty these people are. They'll kill somebody over a gotdamn dollar just because the person wounded their pride.
always pride. microscopic egos.
Like the case in Kent, WA a few weeks ago where a Ln off work security guard murdered a teen who was returning an airsoft pistol to a sporting goods store because he thought he was going to rob the place. He is being charged with murder. It should be no surprise that the victim had brown skin which likely played into why the guy thought he was going to rob the place. I'm sure the guy wanted to be the good guy and save the day but he had access to a gun and became a murderer instead.
We should never assume the best in cases of homicide. The cops have taught us that quite clearly. Maybe he wanted to be a hero, or maybe he wanted an excuse to shoot someone and took the first chance he got.