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https://x.com/votesocialist24/status/1820563500395106496

🚨UPDATE ON BALLOT ACCESS🚨

Over the last few months, volunteers around the country have been actively petitioning, talking with and collecting signatures from tens of thousands of people ready to see a socialist on the ballot in their state.

As of today, our campaign:

  • πŸ’₯ Is officially on the ballot in 9 states
  • πŸ’₯ Has submitted the required signatures in 7 states
  • πŸ’₯ Is still pursuing ballot access in an additional 7 states
  • πŸ’₯ Is pursuing official write-in status in 22 states

Our campaign has a path to over 270 electoral college votes β€” a majority.

The two-party system makes it incredibly difficult for third party candidates without huge financial resources to access ballots in some states. No matter what status your state is, we encourage supporters to get involved and help build the movement for a future by and for the people beyond the ballot box!

Whether you can donate your money your time, or both β€” we need your help! Visit πŸ”—http://votesocialist2024.com/volunteer to learn how you can get involved!

Good for them PSL

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Remember, electoralism in capitalist countries is designed to keep commies out, but if you are going to vote, vote commie on principal.

But more importantly unionise and organise.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

On a local level, elections can be much easier to make an impact on material conditions. Also good practice for organizing and meeting your community

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

me after voting for psl in 2020

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Really wish they would start smaller and try to become a real alternative in even one state, not do these pointless vanity presidential tickets. Hard to take them seriously when they waste so much money on these every 4 years.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Yeah I tried joining up as people advised me to do and felt the last lingering gobbets of my enthusiasm for it shrivel into dust when they made it clear to me they don't do mutual aid or anything like that and it's entirely vote bullshit

Getting on the Presidential ballot for a corrupt system that's going to fall apart in less than a decade does not strike me as realistic or forward-thinking

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I hear you but I think the party's goal is still sustained growth which may at some point enable state chapters to start running serious local campaigns. I'm not a member however though I plan to begin the process once I'm back in the states next year.

However some of our other comrades who do work with them have said that there is not much money spent on the campaigns, there is just the volunteer time to get the signatures and of course whatever events Claudia and Karina partake in (but these double as general socialist agit prop so I'm sure you'd agree they aren't a waste of time either). I'll agree though that the rhetoric could use a little tweaking because "we now have a path to over 270 electoral college votes" probably seems like a delusionally optimistic statement to many from the outside. But that's small change in the grand scheme of the party's goals and activities.

Let's hope that at some point we can start getting socialists on county boards of supervisors' and fuck up landlord's lives on a direct level.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's only a "vanity ticket" if you consider winning elections to be the goal of a party. The PSL is under no illusions they're going to succeed in bourgeois democracy. Pivoting to actually trying to win state ballots is a step backwardsβ€”it would represent a slip into electoralism and they'd become effectively indistinguishable from the DSA.

The goal of participating in bourgeois elections is to draw attention, nothing more.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No I consider it a vanity ticket because they have no intention of really winning. You can't use the same strategy as every other 3rd party and expect people to not just assume that your party is exactly the same as every other grifter.

Pivoting to actually trying to win state ballots is a step backwards

Then you gotta do institution building which, as far as I'm aware, PSL does not do.

The goal of participating in bourgeois elections is to draw attention, nothing more.

I fully agree. And the best way to do that is to win seats so you can throw a wrench (or three) into the system and block any policies that would harm the working class. Then propagandize on those tangible achievements so that you can demonstrate to people that you can actually offer them something beyond just having the 'correct' opinions. All the while trying to build parallel institutions which can eventually take over the functions of the state you are trying to dismantle so people aren't afraid society will collapse if you take power, electorally or otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

πŸ’― This is why I finally got fed up with the green party. Where they ran local candidates they actually won and made real impact (I lived in Richmond, California where Gayle Mclaughlin was on city council and then a 2 term mayor!) But the focus on national elections that they could never win given fptp, and the subservience of the California GP to the national party annoyed me enough to switch to no party preference.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

i gave the psl my presidential vote in 2020 and i'm probably doing it again assuming they get ballot access.

I applied to join as well, because i have a lot of free time right now and I'm sick of not doing anything for what i believe in

i'm glad the ballot access map is decent, i hope it grows!

also it was the only time i ever had my ballot challenged lol. I had to affirm my signature and vote was for gloria la riva. Because Washington state mails out ballots, it's easy to vote and i'd done it a little bit (especially on ballot initiatives) and i was taken aback that the one time I vote how I want, i get my vote taken off the official tallies for a time to mail in the challenge response

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How are official write-ins counted? Do they only count someone writing exactly "Claudia de la Riva"? Or maybe the require the VP name too, "Claudia de la Riva / Karina Garcia"? Sounds like there's plenty of room for "official" write-ins to be ignored.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago

Claudia de la Cruz, Gloria La Riva was the 2020 candidate

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Cool to see socialists getting more representation. Hopefully this will make a few people curious, and maybe make some positive change.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

I love dEmOcRaCy

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Anything I can do as a u.s. citizen living outside the country to help them get on the ballot?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Move to Russia and hack the US voting systems. Spread endless communist propaganda on Reddit using thousands of Russian and Chinese bots.

Otherwise, agitprop. Idk how hard it is to get in contact with those working on this part of the campaign, but you could send people their way. From what I've seen and heard, getting in contact can be difficult.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Does this mean PSL is on the ballot in Florida?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

I believe it mean that they are getting signatures and doing the necesary paperwork to be on the ballot

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

It means they're still working on getting the necessary signatures.

I'm in a branch in Ohio, most states require a lot of signatures to get someone on the ballot. I don't know how big the Florida branches are or how many signatures they require, but they probably wouldn't be pursuing ballot access unless they were sure they would get it by November.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

glad to see they made some progress from when I checked on this about 2 months ago, still good room for improvement though

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

I saw an interview with Karina Garcia last week where she said they were / hoped to be on the ballot in 22 states. Pretty exciting they have that many people active to do that.