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Introduction

Firstly, although the tone of this post may be somewhat critical I want to say that I do appreciate the thought behind creating the bot and the work that has gone into it. The idea of being more aware of media bias in the news we consume is a good one and I commend the folks who actively took a step to try and advance that cause. However, I believe that unfortunately the current solution might have the opposite effect.

Suggestion

My suggestion is to keep the factuality and trustworthiness ratings of the bot as while they are still somewhat problematic, they can at least be more objectively assessed and sourced. The bias rating, however, has two pretty major problems as far as I can see.

Reason One - Inconsistent Definitions

Left and right do not have consistent definitions to everyone, particularly in different regions. Something considered left in the US for example might be considered centre or right in other parts of the world. This means that people's read of the bias rating of the bot may be inaccurate.

Reason Two - Opaque and Contradictory Bias Analysis

Secondly and the major issue I have, is that the bias rating does not seem to have a consistent methodology and I have seen troubling inconsistencies in the justification given for certain ratings. That means we are potentially being misinformed and having the opposite than intended effect of trying to accurately account for potential bias in the sources of our news.

Example - BBC

The example that I looked into was the bias rating for the BBC, which the bot describes as centre left. However, if we look at the justification for this rating it seems contradictory, with most evidence pointing to it leaning right:

According to New Statesman's research, examining the impartiality of the BBC's reporting shows that they lean right certain areas, such as business, immigration, and religion...

...

When reporting general news, the BBC always sources its information and uses minimal loaded words in headlines...

Sounds like the BBC should be rated as centre right based on this analysis. However, the media bias folks go on to say this:

When it comes to reporting on the USA and, in particular, former President Donald Trump, there is a negative tone directed at Trump and his policies.

This point, referencing a single article which is debatably overly negative, seems to be sufficient justification for them to rate the whole source as left leaning.

If you check the reasoning for the rating, however, it mentions nothing about this anti Trump bias at all, instead stating:

Overall, we rate the BBC Left-Center biased based on story selection that slightly favors the left.

This assertion is not justified in any way in the analysis they have provided.

Conclusion

I understand that disagreeing with one particular rating isn't necessarily worthy of action in it's own right, but I think this example highlights a more fundamental problem with the rating system as a whole. If there is not a reasonable and consistent methodology followed, then the rating system itself is highly subject to individual biases. Therefore, I believe that by including this rating in all the news posts, we are lending credibility to an organisation which unfortunately does not seem to have earned it.

Thanks for taking the time to read my suggestion and I hope nobody takes this as an attack of any kind. This is a difficult problem and I appreciate any effort to solve it, I actually was feeling quite positive about the bot until I looked into how the ratings were actually done.

EDIT: Also, I hope this is the right community to provide this feedback. It seems the bot has blocked me so I'm not able to check the support link that it provides.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Reality has a left wing bias.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Hi,

thanks for your concern but for now we will continue this, but no worries we are investigating more alternatives to get a more wide spread information about news sources and articles.

We added a wiki page and https://ground.news link to the comment. We DO NOT declare that as the "truth of everything", MBFC isnt right on everything and has its own bias ( because every human has biases ). Sadly there is no other "free" alternative with an API that we could query.

We are investigating in sort of "Community organized Bias / Fact check" but this commes with their own issues, because of it, it will take some time until we can say more about it.

If someone will make a community that make fact checks ( with proof ) we will implement that into the bot. ( If its taken serious )

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

We are investigating in sort of “Community organized Bias / Fact check” but this commes with their own issues

To say the least. That actually sounds mildly terrifying; it either opens you up to individuals' biases being presented as the community's views, or would makes the decision subject to whoever organizes a "louder" group to dominate the decision making. Both are rather alarming for a community like this.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thanks, appreciate you taking the time to read the feedback. All the best with your community fact checking project, I'll keep an eye out.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What about everybody use their brain for once instead of needing an instance to do it for them? ...oh right, then you'd need an education system that deserves the name. \rant

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

How about you do all math yourself instead of needing a device to do it for you?

You see, there are tools that are supposed to free up time and make things more reliable. If those tools are broken they need to be fixed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

What about everybody use their brain for once instead of needing an instance to do it for them?

Certain groups actively rail against using any form of critical thinking.

Beyond that, trying to analyze the factual reporting and bias of an entire website is a rather gargantuan task for a single person.