gardening

Both are obviously true. But 4chan really did just used to be edgy kids and not outright nazism. There was very little moderation so there was everything, but the really popular boards were like furries, bronies, /b/ and other such weirdos and outcasts and big_bob said. Their comment is largely correct, but even in it's less reactionary form it was still an unmoderated forum filled with edgy teenagers and bad actors and pedophiles and worst of all, gamers.

I was also there in the early days, and yeah, it was better. The shift started somewhere around 2008 to 2010. During the Bush admin, it was a breath of fresh air to see a place that was anti war, anti evangelical, and pro gay marriage. Of course, they were also horrible edgelords trying to keep the normies out by making their site culture completely toxic.

I think it has to be taken in the context of what American counter culture has historically been like (run through with chauvinist libertinism absolutely everywhere, even in spaces that broadly held at least some left wing or positive aspects) as well as the state of the left at the time (absolutely dismal, incoherent, and fragmented in a way that makes the sad state of affairs today look good by comparison).

Like when I was in highschool all the queer outcasts and theater kids were on 4chan, and when I was in college I wound up spending a lot of time on a /tg/ D&D IRC server that one of my old highschool friends invited me to which was run by a gay couple. I can only describe it as that the sort of edgy nihilism and bigotry that ran through 4chan's culture was just sort of tacitly tolerated at the time even by the targets of it, because that's just how bad things were back then and that to engage in counter culture at all meant hardening oneself to it and never letting on that it bothered you.

And then we hit the crystalizing point of gamergate/its surrounding culture war flash points, and at once the chauvinists became militantly worse because instead of just being assholes they now had a unified objective to fight to make things worse by being even more aggressively awful, and at the same time there was a reaction against that and people increasingly stopped putting up with their bullshit and started carving out spaces that were better and less toxic for counter culture.

The entire internet shifted during the Obama years. Liberal both sidesing and 'defend your right to say it' of racist attacks normalized a lot of the hard white supremacy in popular spaces that during the Bush years were largely quarantined to the real stormfront site.

I’ve only ever known 4chan for edgy racist tripe and violent sexual imagery.

When did this mythical 4chan exist? because I’ve known about the site since ~2010

Guess we know where we are on the

It didn’t happen —> It was good —> It wasn’t that bad —> other people did it too —> It was a Jewish conspiracy

Chud historical atrocity narrative progression

I think op didn't even consider that you need a bunch of labor and even if you're running the cleanest organic potato farm, you need to add shit to the soil, or have a lot of it to practice crop rotation and no-till agriculture

That's exactly the point. Pistachios are expensive now, so for the past 3 years, there's been a pistachio fever where farmers have been planting so many of the trees. But trees take years until they yield pistachio, so for now the investment is made and the trees are just growing, but the pistachio production has barely grown. In a few years, the trees will start producing, the market will be saturated with pistachio, and the price at the farm of pistachios will drop dramatically as it always happens with every fucking boom-bust crop

If you want to make money farming, you don't grow potatoes. They are possibly the cheapest thing you can grow. Instead you grow salad greens, a cash crop.

To be completely fair, 100ha of agricultural land in the countryside in Spain will set you back much less than 1-2M€, but yeah, your calculations seem more believable

My comment says "lemon prices were high so farmers planted lemons", I'm agreeing with you. "Planting whatever you want" to me doesn't mean absolute independence from market signals, it means having the ultimate decision over it instead of relying on some other entity making the decision for you (or making it collectively and democratically)

This is another example of the failures of the imperial system of measurements.

We get acres which aren't even a square unit in its purist form.

It's like 6.5' x 66.5' or 1 rod by 1 chain (10 rods)

Legit not trying to be a pedantic asshole so apologies in advance but how would you write that without notation if you were trying to communicate it clearly via text.

Because you worked yourself to death. At least here, the "hard work to get rich" still somewhat holds.