Been using Firefox for a loooong time. Nothing is changing that anytime soon
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Frustrating to say the least. Still use chrome because it has some things I still like, but I also used the registry key to keep manifest 2 extensions for now. Switching back to Firefox from chrome after I think a decade of use is going to be mentally taxing, especially for someone who reacts as poorly to change and is as lazy as me. Frustrating how Google has gone from the earlier days of don't be evil to being who they are today.
I prefer Firefox for almost everything. But I prefer the way Chrome treats x509 certificates.
Or alternately, Ublock Origin's Chrome phaseout has begun. My own Chrome phaseout was completed years ago ofc.
Only place I still use chrome is my chrome book, btw if anyone knows of any browser that works with Chromebook touchpad/grestures (other than chrome ofc) pls let me know
Or time to switch to Firefox
I've been a firefox supporter since netscape.
That said, things aren't going great.
Because it's market share is in the toilet more and more web sites just aren't supporting it any more. My university's website, some government websites, and 2x industry platforms I use for work just plain do not work in firefox.
Mozilla just bought an advertising company. They can spin it as they like but basically, mozilla's primary revenue source in the future is going to be ads.
They just had a throw down with the developer of uBlock. I don't think this is particularly meaningful, but it's not a tick in the right column.
Nothing a user agent spoofing extension can’t fix.
Also, if anyone has concerns about Firefox there are some really interesting forks.
Zen has been my go to for a couple of weeks.
Why is that? Folks aren't going round writing user agent parsers to maliciously disable functionality in Firefox. They're just writing bad code that doesn't work on anything but the browser they use.
I use Firefox mainly because I don't trust Google and at work it ensured at least one of us sees bugs that chrome users don't.
They are.
Not maliciously, but out of laziness.
I regularly see “you need chrome to use this site”.
Would love to see examples of this, I've never seen it (since 2000 or so)
Issue is that some sites just refuse to work saying you need to install a supported browser. Changing the user agent fixes this.
Would love to see an example of this
When I say "aren't supporting" I mean "not testing". These sites are broken.
All Firefox forks in existence are merely soft forks. They're not committing code, they just compile with different flags and configure.
Not entirely accurate.
Zen brings a number of additions that even the Mozilla team have taken note of regarding features they hope to implement down the road.
Ref: (ff engineer taking about zen’s implementation - that’s not enabling feature flags) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41307555
That link is talking about tabs?
That's just css. Every soft fork messes with that. You can yourself in user.css
The big deal with tabs is getting UX right. It's more about how it looks and whether it's intuitive, rather than implementation.
Laughs in Firefox
I have, and as a tab hoarder, the transition has been rough. I really miss the tab grouping feature from Chrome, and I haven't found any FF extension that suitably replaces it.
I had already switched to mobile Firefox years ago for extension (uBlock) support, and that was an easy transition.
When I switched to Firefox a while back, I also switched to using the Tree Style Tabs extension. It gives you vertical tabs which can be nested like a folder structure. I found it's way more convenient to know which tab was spawned from a parent tab, and keep similar tabs all in one little grouping. In my opinion, it's even better than Chrome's tab grouping. I lose a tiny amount of screen real estate along the left side of the browser, but it really didn't take long at all to get used to, and now I vastly prefer it.
I recommend giving Sidebery a shot. It allows you to use a vertical list of tabs instead, that follow a tree hierarchy, so you can have an entire group together and collapsable. Before it was Tree Style Tabs, but development of that seems to have slowed to a stop.
No ETA, but Firefox is getting this.
(IIRC) vertical tabs are already in Firefox, just hidden. Floorp has an option to enable them with a Beta disclaimer.
Huzzah!
Bookmarks are the better tabs for tab hoarders
Just saying
Lies.
If you want to take a chance relying on a system meant to store temporary data to store permanent/semi-permanent information then go ahead, I'll continue using the bookmarks bar and never worry about an update erasing all my tabs :)
The volatility is a feature... every once in a while I rely on my tabs being lost to oblivion to avoid being overwhelmed.
Thankfully, as a long-time Firefox user, I've never been pampered by this magical feature and so it's not something I miss. Perhaps a chrome exodus will cause Firefox to pick it up though.
Then again, I'm currently wearing a tinfoil hat that says, "Mozilla's CEO is a Google sleeper agent" so I'm about 50/50 on whether or not Mozilla will just straight-up fold in a couple years; but there's still the half that's hopeful!
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Google Chrome’s Google Chrome phaseout has begun
Chromecast was killed I didn't notice lol
Mine still works, i wonder if it's just discontinued and no more support for it.
It was rolled into Google Home (I belThe basic Chromecast was discontinued, and the Chromecast functionality was rolled into Google TV. Existing Chromecasts should keep working, hope they don't have any major security bugs though, because I doubt those are getting patched
My three haven't gotten the memo, I guess.
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google chrome phaseout indeed...
Every so often I have to use Chrome because a website (like my utility company) requires me to. It's such a shitty experience. Why are people even still using Chrome?
99% of the time you can just spoof the user agent and it'll work perfectly fine. They only restrict it because they won't hire enough developers to provide support for multiple browsers.
because a website (like my utility company) requires me to
Is Manifest V3 a Chromium thing or a Google Chrome thing?
A Chromium thing. Some Chromium-based browsers are going to keep some kind of internal ad blocker that has more functionality than MV3 allows for but I don't know of any that are keeping the older functionality for extensions in general.
The developer of Thorium (a Chromium based browser) has stated they intent to maintain older functionality for as long they're able.
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