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Other things once considered to be russian disinformation include:

The civil rights movement

The fact Germans were doing the Holocaust

At this point “Russian disinformation” is just a shorthand for “foreign lies”. Even though disinformation tends to be more subtle and complicated than just telling lies. At best, libs have heard the thing about “nothing is true and everything is possible” and just been like, “yup, this is how I feel” even though it’s generally capitalist social media making them feel like tbaf

going to start using "american disinformation" to disarm libs, that's such a smart turn of phrase

Death to America

A nostalgia for the year 2014:

I disagree. It isn't effective propaganda but a quick slogan to dismiss criticism. If its not Russian disinformation, it'd be "conservative propaganda" or performative and ceremonial politics like it was during the Obama administration. The heart of the sentiment is indifference and annoyance.

In other words, "don't make me think about politics". Brace Belden mentioned this in a True anon episode a month ago, and a recent post on the_dredge_tank linked a redditor who echoed the same sentiment (despite working in politics and having a PhD thereof).

A sentiment articulated in that Red Sails article about propaganda, or how Morris Berman - an academic who describes the US - says that the "wool isn't over American eyes, but they are the eyes"; which means American culture makes Americans inherently delusional and prone to refute any challenge to it. Americans have been under such cultural hypnosis likely as long as the post-independence period from Britain.

These generations of Americans want to believe in their idealized version of it to the detriment of everyone else, including themselves, because they themselves have it pretty good. Their material conditions do not prompt them to question the American civic religion.

It’s a thought terminating cliche at this point.

Why the fuck does Russia care what I think? Wouldn't it make a lot more fucking sense that our own government is trying to manipulate our understanding of the world?

A counter example to this would be the CIA. But the thing with US foreign propaganda is that it's absolutely objective, documented, so massive that there's no place in the world left untouched by it, everyone knows it happens whether they admit it or not.

On the other hand, the so called Russian propaganda machine that looms above the world according to them still remains unproved for the most part, and doesn't make any sense when the widely accepted world views and ideologies in the west are the ones pushed by the US, not Russia. So either the propaganda doesn't exist, or it's entirely powerless compared with the propaganda done by the US.

"Russian disinformation" is in the same vein as "Chinese bots/wumao"

It's a thought terminating cliché and nothing more.

It seems to only be really effective with NATO countries. They tried that here and it just didn’t work.

"Russian disinformation" is the one of the most effective pieces of propaganda the US has ever produced, and the US is pretty damn good at producing effective propaganda (you do not gotta hand it to them)

Libs are mirroring hard and aren't even aware of that 🥶

the enter gnash yonnel community strikes again