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Native and African Americans have been telling you this for centuries. Welcome to the truth.
We can no longer hide behind the excuse of "the electoral college". We can no longer say that Trump did not win the popular vote. Trump won the Presidency, retook the Senate, and are poised to retain the house. Progressive candidates and initiatives either underperformed or failed nationwide. A majority of voters nationwide saw everything that came with a Trump presidency and a MAGA agenda and said "Yes. We want more of that."
We are not better than this.
I dont get how someone can vote for Obama twice and then just say fuck it at some point. Isn't that what more or less keeps happening, how does one make sense of all this?
How is there so much turnover and churn every election, how can someone who says he's going to make everything harder for you have any appeal?
My only guess is he's promising to go even harder on people they don't like which magically makes it all palatable
Simply because Obama did awful stuff too. He's a war criminal as much as bush or biden or trump.
I thought their messaging to voters was patronizing/insulting as well.
That was my brother-in-law. In West Virginia. Votes for Obama twice then Trump.
Near as I can tell, they want “change” and doesn’t matter much what that means. They feel powerless in the face of the “other”. The government itself is “other”. It’s who they blame for problems whether it’s taxes or complicated rules for their small business or the way “elites” get away with doing the stuff they can’t do. They have some legitimate gripes with the government and “elites”.
Obama sold “change” really well. So did Trump. It’s not the same kind of change. And, he employed many more “others”. Trump’s change is a lie but Obama’s change never materialized even though he was probably more sincere about it.
These people are dealing with feelings of frustration, inadequacy, envy and shame. They’re lashing out and their only power is their vote. Trump fed those feelings and gave them a target and convinced them that only he could help them.
If only journalism was this blunt at an earlier point than after he won, again.
I'd agree if it wasn't in their opinion section
We absolutely are not. We are a nation of bigots, racists, and simpletons.
This is us, this is America.
This is basically the big thing that has been weighing on me. It’s very clear that the culture I thought I was brought up in, the thing that gave me pride, was not really US culture. It’s very clear to me that US culture values justice, democracy, truth, and the general wellbeing of people in no meaningful ways beyond the PR value of pretending to value these things. It’s very clear to me that this culture is way more racist, sexist, and classist than I was led to believe. It’s also very clear that this culture has an active disdain for education. In aggregate we are a gullible, irrationally emotional, entitled and greedy population with a nearly insatiable bloodlust for violence. We are, on the whole, a profoundly evil country made up of willfully ignorant masses that are ruled by duplicitous oligarchs. Now, I know that there are a lot of good people here. But there is nothing intrinsically American about their goodness. If anything they are an aberration from the seething awfulness that is America.
I just need to reply to this, a couple days late even. Thank you for writing this here. It is a powerful statement, and also extremely saddening and so very accurate. Saved to share with others, so thank you.
This hurt me to read because I believe it. I wouldn’t have yesterday. I feel shame to live among these people anymore. I can’t reasonably leave but I’m not sure what else to do. This feels like defeat in a way I thought could never happen. Probably because I believed in those things that made America great. Not the government, but the people. You’re right, they are not the norm but the exception to what it means to be American. Fuck me.
Even the far left is stupid in America. They're supposed to be the educated ones. But instead of doing their civic duty, they stayed home. And you can blame it on Democrats all you like, but it's your duty to go vote, no matter who you vote for. The turnout this election was pathetic.
I don't understand how these people are going to complain now for the next 4 years, when they didn't even want to take part.
I used to give the collective 'us' the benefit of the doubt and assume we're just stupid, not evil.
After 4 years of Trump + all the Nazi shit he's said since, he did even better than he did the first time. People aren't ignorant to all that, they fucking love it.
We need to hurry up and go extinct and hope some critter rises from the ashes and evolves to be less of a collective sack of shit.
Just with a bit of estimation of the remaining 12% of votes uncounted, Trump is going to beat his 2020 vote record by a couple million, 81 million on the high end and maybe closer to 77 million on the low end. Unlikely, but possible he beats the 2020 all time record set by Biden. Definitely beats his 2020 numbers.
Kamala recently pulled ahead of Hillary’s 65 million and Obama’s 66 million, she’s gonna end up around 71-74 million.
Kamala lost the Popular Vote. In fact she won some blue states by smaller margins then she lost some ‘swing’ states. Nevada might not even be tight enough to qualify as a swing state this election(needs to be 5% or less, Trump’s currently winning by 5.2% meaning it wasn’t a swing state), meanwhile Minnesota was won by 3, New Jersey by 4, New Hampshire by 4 and a half, and Maine might be lost we’ll see, but those 4 were all swing states as the margin was less than 5%. New Mexico and Virginia came very close(and New Mexico would have been under 5 without RFK Jr dragging Trump down a point).
This also suggests the Electoral College no longer favors Republicans, and is somewhere between neutral and actually favoring Democrats again. 2028 a tight election with a Democrat win could see them lose the PV and win the EC.
I had a ton of 2004 vibes from the start and it looks like that was correct. He is coming back to serve a second term, and YES, this time he won the national electiiion
(Also you can’t blame third parties this time, they did horribly nationwide. At worst maybe they tightened up Virginia a bit just through how uniquely bad for Democrats it was there, but on the other hand RFK Jr is the only reason New Mexico didn’t crack a sub 5 margin and go into Swing State territory again(Harris won by 5.2 there and RFK got 1 point. No third party means that crosses the 5 point threshold)
Either that or America wanted a progressive Democrat candidate. We will never know because the second never happens.
weird that we chose a fascist instead then.
I used to think this, not anymore, this one was obvious, everyone who pulled that lever, knew what they were voting for.
Kamala did not lose because voters switched. Trump lost 3 million votes compared to 2020.
Kamala lost because even less people showed up for her. She was that upopular.
turnip won because more people voted for him than kamala. more people in this nation were willing to elect a rapist, a 34 times convicted felon, one who defrauds students, cages children, takes away human rights, praises nazi’s and dictators. if you couldn't be bothered to turn up to fight against that, well..
the system is shit, but we, at least used to have control of it. I hope we still do but the winner has already told us that he will be a dictator and we won't have to vote again.
Tulip sounds awful. The only way democrats could lose from that is if they ran a truly horrific candidate themselves.
Anything notable from last year coming to mind?
no, not really, not in comparison anyway. I'm no dem fan but when given the option to shoot myself in the head vs. taking a tylenol for a headache, I don't have to think real hard about that one.
again, given the choice between a rapist, a 34 times convicted felon, one who defrauds students, cages children, takes away human rights, praises nazi’s and dictators; and a minority woman with an annoying laugh, folks thought it was worth either pulling the lever for the fascist or just letting the fascist take power.
fuck kamala, fuck biden, but we could work with them, we could put pressure on them. hell, we got biden to drop out. good luck pressuring donald fucking trump to do anything that isn't entirely self-serving.
I used to naively believe that sometimes things need to get bad before they can get good. Like, sometimes someone needs to lie in the gutter first before they are able to look up at the stars…
It seems there’s no floor to how bad things can get.
It’s mostly just all gutter now.
Back in 2016 they did a panel of all the creators of the TV political dramas. West Wing, Veep, Scandal, House of Cards, and all the rest.
All the creators said the same thing; if they'd had a character who said he 'liked soldiers who didn't get captured' the networks and advertisers would have demanded that character be shown to be hated by all Americans.
I'm fully ready to admit that America is an Idiocracy. It prefer to stay optimistic about the future, but when the majority of voters choose the Orange Sack of Shit in spite of everything we know about him, they must be fucking idiots. I'm ashamed to be associated with this country anymore. I've actually been anticipating that it will break up and balkanize. The goalposts keep moving but I really think it's inevitable, and I just hope the process isn't an apocalyptic mess.
We were so close to electing a president that can speak in complete sentences!