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[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I'll never understand why people think the people running the DNC aren't total fucking liars that will say anything for money.

Beating trump isn't hard.

But beating him while grifting a billion dollar campaign funded by the people your voting base hates is very difficult.

Unfortunately when confronted with the choice, the DNC has shown us three elections straight that they'll always pick money over votes.

So we either need to leave the party or replace leadership.

If we don't do either 2028 will be exactly the same as the last three elections.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Bold to assume we will have another election

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

Don't you worry, you'll have an election. Even the Germans had elections during their darkest times. That doesn't mean you'll have a choice though.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I lived thru 9/11 and 2016.

For over 20 years everytime a republican became president I've been told we'll never have another election.

Maybe this time the wolf is real, but it's a basic part of human psychology that more and more people will stop having a fear response everytime they hear "wolf".

If we really don't have an election in 2028, we'll have a civil war before 2032. Maybe what comes after will be better than what we have now.

It sucks to live in interesting times, but that's what's happening.

This is literally the day after the election, don't fucking tell me it's too late to plan how to fix shit for 2028

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If it were like 2016 I'd be less worried but taking into account what happened with the 2020 election and now facist rhetoric has reached new heights. They want King Trump and I am worried they will get it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Maybe this time the wolf is real,

Project 2025 is a thing. They know better this time. We're probably fucked.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

For over 20 years everytime a republican became president I’ve been told we’ll never have another election.

I'd love see a credible source for that, because I don't remember that at all.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So we either need to leave the party or replace leadership.

I think at this point, leaving is the only way forward. The DNC/ the DCCC have shown that even given effectively infinite money, they don't have the competence to win elections. They are always willing to rat-fuck popular candidates in favor of establishment candidates. There is no fixing this with Citizens United in place.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Beating trump isn’t hard.

He won three out of four primaries, and two out of three general elections. It seems... pretty fucking hard.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Only hard for those as incompetent as the dnc

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well, he won his own party primaries too, and by a landslide. So it's not just the DNC that can't beat him. People are still trying to play by the old playbook where things like qualifications, competency, and sanity matter. Trump is out there doing something that absolutely works, telling the people whatever they want to hear, regardless of how stupid, impossible, or untrue it is.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Like him or not, one thing is very clear: Trump has basically redefined the political metagame.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

people have been beating this drum for decades and i, for today only, am wondering if it's having any impact despite it being completely true and easy to see.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It won't. If there's anything I've learned, it's that a large majority of the Democratic Party voter base is just as dumb and addicted to propoganda as the GOP's. The people who are so happy to call anyone with a genuine critique a Russian shill, who believed that Biden had to lead the ticket "no matter what," who cheered when Harris went further right to snap up conservative voters; these people also treat politics like a sport and think their side can do no wrong. They feel smug and superior because "they're not dumb enough to vote for Trump," as if that makes them immune to propoganda.

My plan is to leave. Maybe other countries have a chance still, but the U.S. does not.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Capitalism will continue shifting right until there is only fascism.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

The beatings will continue until morale improves

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

do you risk nominating candidates who then can't appeal

Here's a wild idea. Let the voters nominate their own candidates in a primary without tons of interference from the DNC and super delegates. Or you know, just allow a primary at all.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nooooo, can't have that. Then you guys might pick the wrong candidate, you see?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I say this as a woman who is pretty bummed to say this.

I don’t think women candidates can win over enough men to get votes on a national level. Radicalized men aren’t ever going to empathize with women and sure as hell aren’t going to vote for one anytime soon.

Obviously there is a lot more than that, but it’s a big part of it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Women don't empathize with men, women treat men as disposable, men are blamed for everything wrong in the country. The Ds didn't even think to try to appeal to men until the end when they realized "oh shit, we actually need to make an effort to get male votes" It's not a surprise that Trump appealed to men, he was the candidate talking to them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

Honestly, I’m about to get downvoted and I don’t mean to be offensive but I’m going to say how I feel.

I’m sorry men are having a hard time, but I don’t care. Men have been on top of the world for all of history and now they are upset because they have to share.

Everyone else has been having a hard time for much longer and if men are having a bad time right now, I guarantee everyone else is suffering a lot more.

And factually, they don’t need male voters to win. Female voters have outnumbered men since 1964 which should tell you something. Women are willing to vote for men, but men can’t be fucking bothered to support women. I’m done walking on eggshells around male egos because men can’t handle their emotions.

Note: I’m aware not every man or woman is like this. I’m generalizing to make a point. There are a lot of great men in my life who don’t feel emasculated when women ask to be respected. And, there are plenty of women that are hurtful to each other.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I still think it was policy and not gender :/

But I understand that the evidence isn't exactly clear on this.

[–] tigeruppercut 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Apparently the gop doesn't need a policy to win. Harris lost to someone who just promised vague amounts of success without literally a single concrete plan in place. Maybe the dems just need to treat the voters like they're the dumbest fucking people on the planet and promise everything will turn to rainbows and unicorn shit with nothing to back it up.

Legalize weed, provide universal health care, give a job with a million dollar salary to every single citizen, create high speed rail across the entire country, fix the ecosystem, stop every war on earth, approve an annual day where you can legally slap your boss, etc etc. Then if asked for specifics just say they have concepts of a plan.

Why should dems bother doing anything concrete? Seems like the country is dumb enough to vote for anyone who tells people what they want to hear.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Because dems are smart, and care about things, so their party has to give qt least half a chance actual policy.

And this time around, Harris ran on republican lite. Courting Liz Cheny, anti-immigration, those that cared about those things were demotivated.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Exactly.

Harris was dead last on my preferred candidate list in 2020, and it had nothing to do with her gender and everything to do with how little I trusted her due to her background as a cop. And she got hammered in the primaries that year, so I'm certainly not alone. I didn't like her performance as VP (she had a pretty poor public opinion score up until she became the candidate for Pres), and she certainly didn't convince me that she had any interesting policies this time around.

Likewise for Hillary Clinton. She was dead last on my preferred candidate list long before she won the nomination, and she didn't get any better after winning.

In both 2016 and 2024, I voted for a third party because neither major candidate interested me (and it didn't matter because Trump won my state by ~20% in each election anyway). I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who would have voted Democrat didn't bother voting or voted for a third party because they found her uninteresting. Her policies suck, her campaign sucked, and she has pretty much no charisma. It has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her being a crappy candidate.

So my vote is on a mixture of:

  • no real primary, just a candidate switch (feels very undemocratic)
  • poor, vague policies, especially on the issues people seem to care about most (inflation)
  • very little charisma
  • weird obsession with getting celeb endorsements instead of appealing to the average person

Being female doesn't register at all.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

On one hand, I get it. On the other hand, the other choice is orders of magnitudes worse in every category.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

What primaries?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Blow it up. The DNC is never going to get it, just blow up the party.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The numbers on that screen contradict the conclusion (of the media): IND voters are rising and DEM voters are decreasing. Those IND are not more conservatives, they're the Cornell's and the Stein's and such (I know, Russian plant, not the point, voters are not right wing). The left wing is leaving the DEM, you don't get them back by moving right. What the fuck is NBC talking about?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Not sure I agree with your assumption of IND. Many of us don't want to be locked to a party for the primaries.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Why do the republicans love the RNC no matter what and the democrats hate the DNC no matter what?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

For a long time, they didn't. The RNC was legendarily attacked by the Tea Party movement, by Trump during the 2016 primaries, and continued to be slated by MAGA up to the point it was wholly taken over by Trump.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (13 children)

because when the Republican Party wasn't serving the "needs" of it's racist, xenophobic, misogynistic voter base, it was murdered and skinned by the Tea Party, who has gleefully worn the skin ever since.

Progressives have never done the same for the DNC, they've just let it continue being the same old shitty party for two decades. Every time they drift further rightward, people complain, and then forget.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because one delivers on its promises. They promise hate and divisiveness and deliver in kind. Democrats promise hope when what we need is action.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Maybe it's the fact that America's national character is to lust for domination and revenge. Compassion cannot win because America despises it.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Our voters constantly and consistently reject candidates and policies that only benefit billionaires and their stooges, what could that ever mean to the electability of our candidate who fawns over Reagan staffers?

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