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“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.

“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”

“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.

“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.

Goddamn this hits the exact thing that Democrats really need to learn.

There's a ton of emotion in this nation. Given:

  • The opioid crisis where the people responsible are in perpetual litigation.
  • The wars we fought that costed us deaths of young people who had lives ahead of them, and scarred millions more. All so that a few rich asshats could profit.
  • The corruption of large companies as they swindle the working class, only to watch legislators continue to profit off of insider trading.

And that's just to name a few. There's a ton of emotion in this nation. And Trump, for better or worse, taps into that emotion. The cut and dry democrats, they keep telling us, "The system will work, this time" and you have a public that just screams "well how soon is now then?"

Democrats cannot just keep tapping on the system as it currently stands when the system so obviously doesn't deliver. There are hungry democrats looking for change to the system to form a more better system that will serve them, and the party just keeps dressing the bones of the long gone bird from days long pass.

Sanders fucking sinks the nail in a single stroke of the hammer on this. And Republicans are using that emotion, that pent up distrust of the system as it is, to move people in their direction. The entire point of this living government is to have a government, to have a system, that matches the people who are alive and having to deal with it. Sanders sees that and cut and dry Democrats keep going "but Trump will ruin the system that doesn't work for you!!"

Goddamn, one day, they will learn. Democrats will pick up on what Sanders is saying one day. But holy shit, they are going to clearly take an incredibly long and winding road to get there. I don't agree with where Republicans want to take us. I don't agree with how Republicans want to get there. But goddamn, we've got to hand it to them that they're actively pointing out the exact same thing the Sanders is pointing out. "Status Quo ain't going to fucking work anymore." The sooner the traditional Democrats learn that, the faster they can come back to being relevant.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Goddamn, one day, they will learn. Democrats will pick up on what Sanders is saying one day.

In the next government, we're not having elections thanks to Harris botching it for everyone. The RBG of presidential candidates. Thinking you know best until it's too late and now we need to plan for the fact you made things worse.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 hours ago

The "shut up and fall in line while we do nothing for you" bullshit is what got them. Add a full support for a genocide and doing nothing to stop it. A lot of people voted for Trump out of spite to the Dems. They know Trump is worse, but they got burnt by the Dems so many times and they're done with them. I personally voted Harris, but in the back of my mind this is the very last time I'm voting for the " lesser of two evils". I'm just fucking done.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

We need to MAGA up the liberals. They think liberals were insufferable before, we about had enough of this establishment bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know about MAGA, but the Democratic party definitely needs to go hard into the same kind of obstructionism that the Republicans have been doing. No validation of insane policies, no negotiating with terrorists.

And when everyone accuses the Democrats of not cooperating, they need to just stay quiet and stay the course. For the next four years, the legislature is closed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago

Republicans can be evil and Democrats work with them an compromise on killing half of them.

Democrats consider maybe paying postal workers and Republicans stop it and cry how it's unconstitutional to have people paid for their labor.

If the Democrats got a spine and told Republicans "Just shut up, you complained about breaking segregation." And get things done, we'd be a fucking utopia.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Ngl, Neoliberal Populism sounds bad.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

It's sucks so bad. So fucking bad.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

Authoritarian Left sounds bad too, but it would nice if they executed the rule of law instead of making excuses to remain politically neutral.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago

I'm pretty sure that's what we were trying to do back in 2016, but it was her turn.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Check reddit and .world and you'll see the people doing that.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

alienation

Careful now, that sounds like one of them there socialism words.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

No one remembers your name

When you're estranged

When you're estranged

When you're estraaaaaanged

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I think the time has arrived for party diversification. If the DNC wants my vote back they’ll need to earn it back. I have thrice voted for them to avoid a Trump Presidency, and 2/3 of those attempts were unsuccessful.

No longer will my vote be held hostage by the people that will squander it. From now on I vote for who I want, not against who I don’t, since it apparently doesn’t matter anyway. At least this way I vote on my own terms.

Bernie is too good for us, we need someone like him with a shot at gaining popularity for policy stances not backed by one of the large establishment parties.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It really says something when the media browbeated minorities actively harmed by neoliberal policies into voting Democrat and never third party, and third party didn't even sway anything in any state.

I voted Green in 2016 in California and I regretted it. I voted Democrat in 2020 (knowing it doesn't matter, I live California), despite Sanders getting shafted a second time. I voted Harris in 2024, and I swallowed my morals to do it.

And I got nothing but Trump rolling out his plans his oligarchs planned since 1980.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 hours ago

“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? ...”

"Pain? What's that? Some kind of... 'poor-person' thing?? Wait, I remember now, it's the french word for bread! Well, let them eat baguettes~"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

Will he finally start a party? Please?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Rollin' out this banger one more time...

https://youtu.be/moNHfeBJ81I

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