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An actual quote I saw today posted on Twitter: "Florida is a conservative Christian state, and they voted against murdering unborn babies. The democratic process is complete. They can leave if they want to do that." There's a lot to unpack there. I also got into an argument with the guy who posted it, who claimed somehow that it's not ok for Federal government to regulate Women, but if states wants to do it then it's ok, and they should just leave to another state then. like.. wow. America is a strange place

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Conservatives want their women to be able to get abortions while also being able to tell everyone they oppose it. It's a phenomenon you can look up called "the only moral abortion is my abortion".

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

I mean the “Only Moral Abortion is my Abortion “ The rich will just travel overseas for a clinic and spend a week somewhere on a beach for the rest of week sipping on cocktails, while the poor will just get poorer, sicker and hungrier

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Any sane person needs to GTFO out of Florida anyway. The weather is only going to get more extreme and so are the christo fascists.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm just trying to finish my degree to leave. It's a shame Miami is so unique because I can't find any place with such diversity. Only comparable alternative I could find in the US was NYC.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Come to California. We have the best tacos and xlb.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've thought about it but while it is more free, the city layout looks worse. At least the public transportation is serviceable here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

We're working on it, for the Olympics. Putting capitalism to work for transport reform.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

57% of Floridians voted in favor of abortion rights.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

57% If Floridians voted in favor of abortion rights.

One small correction: 57% of the people who voted, voted in favor. Florida has approximately 22 million people as of the last census, with about 17.732 million over the age of 18. Here are the vote counts:

No: 4,547,767 (42.8%) Yes: 6,068,933 (57.2%) This means about 7.115 million people in Florida did not vote, so approximately 40.1% of the adult population voted. Truly wild to see.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that people who cannot be bothered to vote shouldn't really count.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

Surprisingly enough, they don't count!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

22million people who are eligible to vote? I want to know if that's everyone who lives in Florida (man women, children, citizens, non-citizens etc), or just eligible voters.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I updated my comment, initially I had the wrong figure. I went back to the US Census website, and looked again. Then, I took the number who are over 18 years of age only, and subtracted that out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Your updated number is still off by over a million. Not everyone over the age of 18 is eligible to vote. Not that it changes the point much, but you want to look for eligible voters vs over 18.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I did after the update. Their comment doesn't account for people who are old enough to vote/and counted in the census but still are not eligible voters. 78.76 percent of eligible voters voted. The total number of people who voted is 10,999,265 out of a total number of eligible voters 13,949,168.

This is important context that was missing from both the original comment and the edited comment.

57 percent of the people who voted voted for abortion rights. That's 6,269,581 voters. Since the bar for a measure to pass in Florida is 60 percent, we know that if the other 2,949,903 people had voted at all and they'd voted in favor that would have passed the abortion rights initiatives on the ballot. In fact the abortion rights initiative only needed 109,927 more votes in order to pass. It was extremely close to passing.

https://floridaelectionwatch.gov/CountyReportingStatus

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They voted for abortion rights at the state level, then voted in a Senator, two Representatives, and Trump into office so they can pass a national abortion ban that will apply to their state.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In some other states yes, but the abortion protection in Florida failed to pass, leaving their "6-week" (2 weeks from detectability) ban in place.

(Edit: on my phone, didn't see you were replying such that your "they" refers to the 57% of those who voted, which was insufficient to pass the amendment.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My point is that more than half voted for abortion rights and more than half voted for the anti abortion candidates.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

It's probably because when they see 'R' next to a candidate's name, they can't help but choose that.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That vote was like... 57% to 43% in favor of abortion, and only failed because it needed to hit 60%. Ironically the amendment that made that requirement possible didn't pass with 60% of the vote.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Most people actually voted in favor of the florida abortion ammendment. The threshold is just unusually higher (60%) than most states. It was close to 60% but just a little shy at around 57%

With a different national environment with just a bit higher dem turnout, it probably would've passed

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Both abortion and weed should've passed, they had the majority.
The case to put the 60% rule in place DIDNT EVEN GET 60% ON ITS VOTE

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Ironically enough to make the vote require 60%, in order to pass it only received 57%.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So we've been going on for a pretty long time about how Florida is basically largely going to get completely lmaoed by climate change, and trying to warn people moving there and so on.

But as time goes on, I'm thinking maybe it's best if they suffer the consequences of their actions, and let the ocean have this one.

Refugees will of course not be accepted in accordance with the new regime policy either, and FEMA has been fully dissolved.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The problem is not everyone who wants to can move. Picking up everything and moving to New England or the West Coast is not viable for people making minimum wage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's more viable for renters than people who have to sell a house no one will buy but is too much of their net worth for them to feel like they can walk away from it.

In practice, sure, the situation is actually similar but the homeowners won't feel like it is and humans are mostly illogical.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're talking about stress, sure, a renter can relocate more easily than a home owner. Stress isn't worth dollars, though. A homeowner is still much more likely to have the financial ability to relocate. If renters had spare cash of a substantial amount, don't you think they'd put it towards owning?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

How much do you think a mortgage down payment is? A U-Haul rental?

You're not wrong, but that's a pretty wild point of order.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People will buy the house for sale. The country made it clear that half of the population is happy with one of the sides. Reds want to move out of blue states all the same. So yes, a down payment and a moving rental are a magnitude of order apart, but relocating still introduces huge expenses. A 600 mile trip with a 15' truck and car trailer is about $1,000 (it's the mileage rate that gets you). Hotels if needed, road food, security down payments, and gas are the easy ones to point out. Then there's the added stress and costs of scoping out your destination, finding a suitable place, not being employed during the transition, losing your current social networks, and pulling it off solo. My point is that "just move" isn't feasible to many of the people most affected by the predicted changes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Sure.

And yet it is still more feasible now than it will be later.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why stop at abortion? Which Bible verse is that anyway? Let's get to work and add more laws. How about the one for adultery? That's a good one.

Leviticus 20:10 threatened that 'the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife … the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death', while Deuteronomy 22:22 thundered, if a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then both of them shall die

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

No dont go after my polycule too :(

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Abortion protection was proposed as a constitutional amendment because the backwards -ass gerrymandered legislature here is much more conservative than the population. A majority of us voted for freedom of choice even though the amendment on the ballot had bold text added by the governor, including the dubious claim that it would "increase the number of abortions performed in the state". They only added these annotations to the two amendments DeSantis opposed.

I was born here, my kids were born here, I am progressive, my kids are progressive, all y'all dehumanizing us, why? We are just people, like you!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think the tiniest sliver of silver lining is that republicans seem to want states to decide on a whole slew of things, meaning that any anti-trans legislation likely won't mean I need to leave the country, only sell my house and move to another state and pray I can find a job there.

This timeline sucks.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

No, they want states to decide on issues they're losing federally but still let the fed decide things if they're winning. There is no consistency, just temporary workarounds.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hi am Floridan. Yes I want to leave but can't because i either have to go to uni in Florida, or be in debt.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not to pressure you to leave if it’s not feasible for you (I’ve so been there), but in case you haven’t heard of it: the Academic Common Market program, run by the Southern Regional Education Board, may be an avenue to get out of Florida while staying in college.

Hang in there.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty neat that exists for people who want to study something niche.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

There are other programs for other regions too! I wish I’d known about it when I was in college.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

57.2% of voters chose to not control women.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

These are hard times, and more are coming. And I don’t exactly remember the quote, but it’s along the lines of:

“When a run-away team of horses is headed off a cliff, the driver can sometime be seen encouraging them on, presumably, since he knows he cannot stop them, he at least feels some sense of control over the situation.”

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Soooo the 58% of Floridians who voted for banning anti abortion laws also want Fl to be a Christian state?

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