does anyone know the marxist class analysis of tenant farmers in the modern day? Are they peasants? Are they proles? Are they some sort of petit bourg chimera?
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The tax is an inheritance tax for any farmer with net assets over £1m. This might sound like a lot to you and me, but the value comes from mostly inflated land values, and doesn't take into account farmer income which is typically not amazing.
So a lot of farmers who are doing even moderately okay will essentially not be able to pass their land in to their children without their kids forking out near £60k
The government thinks it will affect only 500 farms, so I interpret this that it was meant to be a tax on the hyper wealthy farmers, but it seems completely out of whack with the number of middle-class to working-class farmers it will actually affect.
TLDR: Farmers are spectrum of classes, but even the poorest hold assets with measurable value.
The Clarkson's Farm and former Top Gear presenter will join the protesting farmers - against his doctors' orders after recent heart surgery.
"I will be there, despite having letters from doctors telling me not to go on the march and saying I must avoid stress,” he told the Sun.
There's an opportunity for something funny to happen
This man is not a farmer. He has said in interviews that he only bought a farm so that he wouldn't have to pay tax when shooting.
Hey don't say that, he also got to make a TV show about acting like being a farmer
I'm guessing it was Clarkson doing an extended take of the "I'm a farmer, daddy!" scene from Freddy Got Fingered
He's gonna fake a heart attack, slip on a banana peel and then land under a falling piano?
"Farmers"
Clarkson is like someone genetically engineered a man to have all the worst British traits possible
Typical Celto-Germanic
Top Gear used to be my favorite show but I can’t even watch their old episodes anymore because Clarkson has become such an insufferable bell end.
I am not sure what you mean became, he always was one, I cannot find an episode where he was not an insufferable bellend
It just used to be that people thought he was doing a bit
Maybe it’s just a matter of degrees. In the past, before the end of Top Gear and when they moved on to Amazon, I feel there was a certain unseriousness to his buffoonery. It was a role he played up, but more or less silly.
In recent years it feels like he’s taken the “character” of Clarkson and absorbed him fully and made this character into a much worse version.
(And to be clear, I’m only talking about Clarkson the performer, he definitely was always a huge asshole irl)
Agreed. He played the heel and did it well. At some point he lost the plot
:yea:
The answer is obvious but I still have to ask if the farmers have no real shame in their body?
Who would want to be represented by a television dickhead who bought a farm and then when the contracted local retired, decided that he would do it himself as reality tv and promptly renamed the farm to "diddly squat".
Like you wouldnt be offended if you werent a farmer, but if you can imagine being one then wouldn't you find it a little distasteful for some dickhead with money to roll in and make a big joke out of it?
Most farmers (who aren't farm hands/workers) in the imperial core are essentially petty bourgeoisie. They have the same class interests as the ruling class.
So, in the UK they have special ancestral bullshit about land ownership, and agricultural land is extra special and has all sorts of tax and inheritance gimmees that the oligarchs use to do oligarch things.
They dont 'have the same interests'; its literally the same people.
The same way american farmers are, by area, mostly corporations, but scammier
100% of the farmers in this protest are petty-bourgeoisie. They are protesting because the changes are likely going to force them to sell their farms, these sales will go to much bigger farms.
What's happening is essentially the petty-bourgeoisie being squeezed by the bourgeoisie.
Oh yes definitely, but don't they have some invented mythology and folksy pride to them?
Have they all just beocome indistinguishable from finance worms and the other standard ghouls?
Well you see they get a lot of money from the government and they're all massively in debt as long as they don't sell their land, but if they do they're millionaires, but they don't, so that means they're working class
I thought the same at the beginning, but after working for few years in agriculture, he is actually presenting real problems every farmer has, not only British bourgeoisie.
He put more spotlight on farming issues than all non profit organisations together.
Of course they support him. Yeah he is a bit crazy and looks disrespectful on the first look, but give it a chance he is actually highlighting even ecological issues around farming.
They think Jezza is cool and the man. My brain melted when I saw he had a an article published in a newspaper in Britain, and it started pouring out of my ears when I realised he was a regular columnist. He had an actual column in an actual newspaper and it wasn't about cars and farts, but politics.
Top Gear becomes less fun when you realize Clarkson means what he says - the ignorant caricature of a right winger that he plays is not too dissimilar from his actual views.
but he was on TV! Could there be anything more important? 
Some of these farmers protests are legit, but others are rich landowners complaining that they have to pay 1% more taxes or do more bureaucracy. I'm spanish, "the farmers" also got pissy when the milquetoast socdem government said that there would be slighly more labour inspections. God forbids someone asks them why there are so many undocumented migrants working like slaves.
This protest is petty-bourgeoise farmers being squeezed by the bourgeoisie via inheritance tax. The tax is likely to cause many of them to sell their farms, which will be bought by much bigger farming corporations.
Some of these farmers protests are legit
I've never seen one of these farmers protests for any legit reasons, can you give me an example of one?
And I thought James May breaking Stalin's house was bad.
he did what?
later in the scene they say Stalin was worse that Hitler
Because of course.
What a dickhead
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Is there any (western) country where farmers don't suck?
nope
I don't think so. I gather there are three kinds of farmers in the us
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massive aggrobusinesses
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petit boug who own enough land to turn a profit and have enough revenue to hire significant amounts of labor.
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poor farmers who have capital but are at best servicing their debts and cannot afford to either improve their profitabilty or sell their effectively worthless capital and get out.
I think that pattern holds in much of the west and probably outside the west, with the poor farmers constantly getting fucked by the machinations of empire while the agribusinesses reap most of the benefits and the petit boug landholders cost by on a combination of profits and subsidies.
I don't know if the "poor farmer" really exists on anything beyond an anecdotal level. Most often they can break even if they sell their land and machines, at least as far as I've been able to find. Not saying there are NO situations where that isn't the case, but that those situations are like the "my uncle smoked cigars his whole life and never got sick" amount of times it's actually the case. In large parts of the west you can even draw direct lineage back to old nobility for almost all farmers (who aren't just a big corporation)
They definitely exist. Used to do water sampling in Arkansas, they are entirely reliant on various government subsidies and tax exemptions. I never felt particularly bad for them given their almost total disregard for the environment, but they weren't usually exploiting people outside their own families.
I know a small number of people who are small scale farmers caught in debt traps. Met most of them at work, as they had to hold regular jobs to stay remotely solvent. But, you're right, it's a small number of people.
And that sounds like you're moreso describing somebody who is trying to break into the agricultural industry, rather than someone who is a farmer. This is just me being a pedantic word-fucker though
Farm(own)ers and farm workers are two different positions. The former will always suck
Kulaks and landless peasants
Yeah farmers suck, farmhands are cool
Every few years, western farmers gather in a lab somewhere to attempt to create the most cringe protest scientifically possible.
Somehow the cops never kill them
"Today in Top Gear, i'll be leading 20,000 farmers on Westminister to protest and be cringe"
"Today on Medium Gear, we will try exhaust fume"
Did he lead the blockade at FULL THROTTLE on 1st short ?
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