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If even half of Intel's claims are true, this could be a big shake up in the midrange market that has been entirely abandoned by both Nvidia and AMD.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

All these weird numeric names. I'm gonna build a GPU and name it Jonathan.

[–] jonathan 22 points 3 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just don't name it Steve. You're in for a world of troubles with GPU Steve.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The Arc cards actually have a really fun generational naming mechanic.

It's RPG classes. First gen was Alchemist. Second (what the article is about) is Battlemage. I'm guessing we're getting Cleric, Druid, etc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

It's Celestial, so sayeth Steve

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

sorry, apple already took that one. call it Jeff or something.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Intel GPU claims are NEVER true.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Meh, I ended up with an A770 for a repurposed PC and it's been pretty solid, especially for the discounted price I got. I get that there were some driver growing pains, but I'm not in a hurry to replace that thing, it was a solid gamble.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The A770 was definitely a "fine wine" card from the start. Its raw silicon specs were way stronger than the competition, it just needed to grow into it.

This ones a bit smaller though...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Their promo benchmarks have it beating the 770, though, whcih is still a viable card at this price point. It'll be interesting to see if that pans out on reviews with independent tests.

Not in the market for one of these, but very curious to see how the 780 fares later. Definitely good to have more midrange options.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

The whole goal of battlemage was to increase utilization and cut down on wasted silicon. The overall number of transistors are almost the same. If utilization of those transistors is much more efficient then 25% should easily be doable with all of the other architectural improvements.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

It hasnt been like that anymore for a while now.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

If they double up the VRAM with a 24GB card, this would be great for a "self hosted LLM" home server.

3060, 3090 prices have been rising like crazy because Nvidia is vram gouging and AMD inexplicably refuses to compete. Even ancient P40s (double vram 1080 TIs with no display) are getting expensive. 16GB on the A770 is kinda meager, but 24GB is the point where you can fit the Qwen 2.5 32B models that are starting to perform like the big corporate API ones.

And if they could fit 48GB with new ICs... Well, it would sell like mad.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I always wondered who they were making those mid- and low-end cards with a ridiculous amount of VRAM for... It was you.

All this time I thought they were scam cards to fool people who believe that bigger number always = better.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

Also "ridiculously" is relative lol.

The Llm/workstation crowd would buy a 48GB 4060 without even blinking, if that were possible. These workloads are basically completely vram constrained.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah, AMD and Intel should be running high VRAM SKUs for hobbyists. I doubt it'll cost them that much to double the RAM, and they could mark them up a bit.

I'd buy the B580 if it had 24GB RAM, at 12GB, I'll probably give it a pass because my 6650 XT is still fine.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I’m reserving judgement of course to see how things actually play out but I do want to throw a cheapest pc together for my nephew and that card would make a fine centerpiece.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

don't forget mini PC like a beelink with a 8745HS for instance can be pretty great for games

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Funny the Radeon RX 480 came out in 2016 at a similar price. Is that a coincidence?
Incidentally the last great generation offering a midrange GPU at a midrange price. The Nvidia 1060 was great too, and the 1080 is claimed to maybe be one of the best offers of all time. Since then everything has been overpriced.

The RX 480 was later replaced by the 580 which was a slight upgrade at great value too. But then the crypto wave hit, and soon a measly 580 cost nearly $1000!!! Things have never returned quite back to normal since. Too little competition with only Nvidia and AMD.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

30 series started to look like a return to good priced cards. Then crypto hit and ruined that. Now we have AI to keep that gravy train going. Once the AI hype dies down maybe we'll see cards return to sane pricing.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a pretty decent value when stacked up against RTX 4000 and RX 7000 GPUs.

But we're only a month or two from the next generation of Nvidia & AMD cards.

Those companies could even shit the bed for a second generation in a row on price-to-performance improvements, and the B580 will probably just end up being in-line with those offerings.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah,but by the time the 5060 is available, the tarrifs will have it at $450+.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'll be curious to see how that all plays out.

Current GPU pricing still seems to have the 2019-2020 25% GPU tariff price baked-in. Note how prices didn't drop 25% when those were rescinded.

Do Nvidia & AMD factor those in their pricing and give consumer a break? Or do they just jack up prices again and aim for mega-profits?

Hell, will the tariffs even happen? At one point, those tariffs were supposedly contingent on U.S. Federal income taxes being abolished, and being used to replace that government tax income. The income tax part seems to have been dropped from the narrative ever since the election.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I literally just fomod myself into a 7900 XTX today because of the possibility of the price hikes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

As someone with a 6650 XT, which is a little slower than the 6700 or 4060, I doubt the increased vram, which is of course still nice, is enough to push it for 1440p. I struggle even in 1080p in some games, but I guess if you're okay with ~40 FPS then you could go that high.

Unfortunately, if the 4060 is roughly the target here, that's still far below what I'm interested in, which is more the upper midrange stuff (and I'd love one with 16 GB vram at least).

At least the price is much more attractive now.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Dunno, realisticly speaking it is a slightly cheaper 7600, hardly a market shake-up.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Seems like a decent card, but here are my issues:

  • 12 GB RAM - not quite enough to play w/ LLMs
  • a little better than my 6650 XT, but not amazingly so
  • $250 - a little better than RX 7600 and RTX 4060 I guess? Probably?

If it offered more RAM (16GB or ideally 24GB) and stayed under $300, I'd be very interested because it opens up LLMs for me. Or if it had a bit better performance than my current GPU, and again stayed under $300 (any meaningful step-up is $350+ from AMD or Nvidia).

But this is just another low to mid-range card, so I guess it would be interesting for new PC builds, but not really an interesting upgrade option. So, pretty big meh to me. I guess I'll check out independent benchmarks in case there's something there. I am considering building a PC for my kids using old parts, so I might get this instead of reusing my old GTX 960, the board I'd use only has PCIe 3.0, so I worry performance would suffer and the GTX 960 may be a better stop-gap.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

12 GB RAM - not quite enough to play w/ LLMs

Good. Not every card has to be about AI, there's enough of those already; we need gaming cards.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Sure, I'm just saying what I would need for this card to be interesting. It's not much better than what I have, and the extra VRAM isn't enough to significantly change what I can do with it.

So it either needs to have better performance or more VRAM for me to be interested.

It's a decent choice for new builds, but I don't really think it makes sense as an upgrade for pretty much any card that exists today.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If their claims are true, I'd say this is a decent upgrade from my RX 6600 XT and I'm very likely buying one.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds like a ~10% upgrade, but I'd definitely wait for independent reviews because that could be optimistic. It's certainly priced about even with the 6600 XT.

But honestly, if you can afford an extra $100 or so, you'd be better off getting a 6800 XT. It has more VRAM and quite a bit better performance, so it should last you a bit longer.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Using ML upscaling does not qualify it as a 1440p card... what a poor take.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago
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