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[–] [email protected] 108 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Always liked this one:

But this one is good too...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not complaining or calling it out but I’ve seen the words in the 2nd applied to sooo many different comics. I think that’s actually kind of great that it’s so flexible 😆

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

I think it's originally from Red vs Blue

[–] [email protected] 101 points 1 week ago (5 children)

In "who left their bag here"'s case, the gender of the person is not known because their identity isn't known, so it doesn't feel strange to use (for us old farts). It can take some effort to retrain your brain to use "they" when it's a single person whose identity is known (speaking from experience as a Gen Xer).

Or the person might just be a transphobic asshole. But I like to think that most just need to educate themselves on using pronouns correctly.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (6 children)

One thing that might help it feel less strange is realising that you already use a grammatically plural pronoun to refer to individuals all the time: the word "you". It's always "you are tall", not "you is tall", same as "we" or "they" instead of "he" or "she". This is because it was historically plural, and "thou" was the singular. Over time we started using the plural to be more polite, and then eventually always using it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (17 children)

"Thou is tall" sounds weird though.

you already use a grammatically plural pronoun to refer to individuals all the time: the word "you". It's always "you are tall",

This made my brain short circuit lol. Can't believe I never noticed.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Yeah it can take a while to get used to, especially if you knew the person before they changed their pronouns. But the point is it isnt incompatible with our language at all. I think the last panel would be better if it showed the (transphobic) guy and another person and he says "this activist said the craziest thing to me today" and then the second person says "oh yeah, what'd THEY say" because then the 'they' pronoun would be directly referring to the person who wanted to be called 'they' in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I mean, I'm mid 30s, and it took me a long time to internalize "he, she, they" rather than "he, she, it". It's just how they were used when I was growing up. Fortunately, I've had the opportunity to learn and grow. At the end of the day, just speak with respect and make sure you listen as much as, or more than, speak.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Oh yeah it took me a while to default to 'they' instead of 'he/she' lol
Sometimes I still mess up and assume, and sometimes I say 'they' when I don't mean to also. Brains are weird.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I remember as a kid the teachers were desperately trying to make “he or she” a thing and told us the singular “they” would never be acceptable.

I’m personally glad that movement failed.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (8 children)

looking back, some of my educators were monumentally stupid

OVERSHARING TIME

My body doesn't burp; when I drink something carbonated I have to physically gag myself with something to get the air out. When I was a kid I didn't know this and would get pain in my stomach and didn't understand why.

Coke with my lunch two days in a row resulted in trips to my home room teacher to ask to see the nurse, or go home. My home room teacher crossed her arms and said, "this is the second day in a row you've done this to us," and lectured me about trying to get out of class. I had no way of proving that I was actually in pain. I was angry and scared and couldn't do anything about it. Do not give me the keys to the time machine or there will be violence.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had a math teacher that was there to coach football… instead of the normal method for balancing equations and such he’d insist you use his wonky play call diagrams.

Which made all the other algebra and trig teachers have re-teach kids coming out of his last class.

Dude was a stereotypical jock that was going to give one of his athletes a free pass for stuffing a friend of mine into a locker. At least until i stuffed the tight end in his locker, instead.

So. How about this. We swap the keys and go all strangers on a train?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

You sound fun to hang out with. I'm in.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had this exact same problem growing up. When I started drinking excessive amounts of beer the pressure became enough to break through, and I finally started burping. That somehow fixed my body completely, and I've been able to burp normally ever since, but my God I'll never forget the pain of being unable to burp. Literally the worst pain of my life

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm glad you can belch now. 🍻

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey I remember a Hank Green video about this. I suffer from time to time with not being able to burp either, so I tried to remember this. Basically, botox injections are found to help for not burping, I think a specific variety, where a muscle is not working right. I think it's more in the testing phase, but maybe, you too could burp someday!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I learned English at school and the first time I encountered singular they was when my teacher explained it to us. Sometimes non native speakers are less prescriptive than native speakers

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Someone correct me, but "you" was originally plural. The correct way to address a singular person is "thou".

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It was a funny comment, but I wouldn't call it art.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Roses are red Violets are blue The singular "they" Pre-dates singular "you"

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

Thou shalt use proper pronouns and not be lazy recycling plural pronouns in the singular. What next, are thou planing to use a singular "we" like inbred royalty?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Youse guys should use the plural you

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

When I started interacting with a non-binary person more often, the only reflexive pronoun that came to mind was ‘themselves.’ As in, “They bought themselves a pair of socks for their birthday.” It felt a bit awkward since I couldn’t shake the plural association in my head, but I still used it to be respectful.

Then I remembered that the word ‘themself’ exists and I felt stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're introducing yourself to me, I only need your name.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So you're going to refer to John by John's name exclusively? Sounds a bit awkward, but okay.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I'm tired of calling John, John, every time I refer to Join, but I wasn't paying attention to John's pronouns, so now I'm stuck until I have a chance to ask John, when I next see John.

Source: I've done this, actually. I hope I was more subtle.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or you could just use "they." Convenient!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Calling people what they ask to be called just doesn't have to be this difficult.

And yes, his royal lordship Starn, the majestic, that goes for you, too. It's fine. We're cool with your chosen name. And I admit, the opera cape absolutely works for you.

And I don't need to know what genitalia most other people are rocking. That's none of my business, unless we're really into each-other, in a very intimate way.

It takes all my willpower not to be get pretty inappropriate every time a government form asks my birth sex:

"Oh! We just met at this office of motor vehicles...I didn't know you felt that way about me! This is so much to process. I admit there's a mutual attraction. Of course I feel it too. I'm delighted that you had a special form made up to ask! I'm flattered! Want to grab dinner, and see where this goes?"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Calling people what they ask to be called just doesn't have to be this difficult.

We in fact do it all the time. It's just people have gotten used to using names. But it's not like you were born with a Dave chromosome. Your parents decided to call you Dave, so in the end it's also just a made up name/sound.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I get irked when someone says “he or she,” especially repeatedly, because the singular “they” is so much easier to hear and read.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In Finnish language there are no gender specific pronouns only gender neutral one hän/hänen.

They/them still sounds weird to use even if I know it can be used to refer single person. When talking or writing fast I'll still often accidentally default to using he/him even for females which I then have to correct.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In my language everything little word is gendered so everything you talk about is bound by it. It's extremely confusing thinking or understanding how to describe something in terms "non-gendered".

I really am supportive of all the changes needed in the world, but the use of "they" is very confusing in a singular form for people who don't have it as first language and concepts and everything was learned by mapping stuff to other language, so please invent some word for it and go with it. It's already strange and always difficult understanding the usage of "you" in singular vs plural and formal or not speech.

I really wish my language also had gender neutral pronouns, it just sound so much simpler and better.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Dear native English speakers, would you mind inventing a new word either for gender-neutral third-person singular pronoun, or one for what "they" mean to foreign English speakers since you are so insisted in differing its meaning from the text books you shipped us decades ago?

English is so inconsistent at this point. Only the third-person pronouns have gender in singular form, the plural form has no gender and now you are telling us the gender-less form can be singular now? How confusing!

English is widespread partly because it has simple alphabet and relatively easy grammar. I don't mind someone being in LGBT+ group at all, but could you please don't mess with the language?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (9 children)

English is so inconsistent at this point.

At this point? At this very point, specifically due to the historically valid usage of one gender neutral pronoun? Now is the time that it's finally become an inconsistent language? Singular "they" is the thing that has pushed English over the edge from logical and sensical to arbitrary and confusing? Of all the foibles and quirks, this is the one that is simply unforgivable and must be changed?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

As the comic shows, "they" ("their," in this case) was already used as a singular when the gender was unknown. The only change is it's now also used if the person's gender is known and isn't "he" or "she."

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