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A call for help from Disco Elysium writer Argo Tuulik (Summer Eternal) (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/discoelysium

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https://bsky.app/profile/mixedmartialarx.bsky.social/post/3ld5iazxpg22i

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-disco-elysium-writer-survive-the-winter

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 weeks ago

What a harrowing story. I wish them much success with their legal battle.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Having no idea of the story behind this, I read the gofundme and still have no idea of the story behind this.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

Haven't played Disco Elysium yet but from what I heard that's also on brand.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I heard something about a rogue employee selling a studio to a wealthy scammer for a dollar (and a massive kickback). Does that describe disco elysium’s situation?

[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

According to Kurvitz (game designer and writer of the prequel novel Sacred and Terrible Air) and Rostov (lead artist):

Kompus (Zaum Studio CEO) bought a majority share in Zaum
Kompus bought four early sketches from Zaum for 1 GBP
Kompus sold back those sketches to Zaum for 4.8 million EUR
When they began raising questions, Kurvitz and Rostov were demoted and later fired

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The story has A LOT more than four bullet points.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-mysterious-magical-end-of-disco-elysium-was-one-of-the-years-best/

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/game-development/for-a-while-it-seemed-like-miracles-were-possible-and-with-them-redemption-a-follow-up-to-the-legendary-disco-elysium-might-have-been-ready-to-play-within-the-next-yearzaums-devs-loved-it-management-canceled-it-and-laid-off-the-team/

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Of course there's a lot more. I specifically condensed the story down to bullet points relevant to the "$1 purchase" mentioned in the parent comment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Where might one procure this prequel novel?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

https://archive.org/details/sacred-and-terrible-air_en/mode/2up

(make sure you donate to the Internet Archive if you end up reading the novel!)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you very much.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

That was a hell of a read

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Fundraiser not found? They seem to have deleted it

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

~~Apparently GoFundMe took it down until he changes some parts:
https://xcancel.com/mixedmartialarx/status/1867624071892255191~~

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's back.
https://xcancel.com/mixedmartialarx/status/1867766498212888612

[+] [email protected] -41 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Without having ever heard about that game or the name of the writer here, honestly, that gofundme reads bad. A writer that can't stick to a factual description of his situation and uses his plea for a creative writing exercise to embellish his cause.

And even if I trust all of his story to be true, it leaves the picture of a person who made a lot of bad decisions and is now asking others to pay for them. And by that I do not mean that he wouldn't / shouldn't have the rights to that game, but the decisions leading up to that point.

If I go downtown right now, I'd find ten people within the hour who have never had a chance in life and are in a worse situation in terms of recovering from it by themselves than this person here.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You don't know this game nor what happened there. You were never the intended public to donate.

What happened is actual theft of intellectual property, not to be confused with copyright. The world of disco Elysium is a paracosm, a massive inner world developed intimately over a creators life.

For those that have one, such world become a part of them, intertwined with your own identity.

A loophole by a pig, enforced copyright where no moral right exists. It bans the creator of making stories or using elements of the universe that exists inside their own head.

Such loss is not dissimilar to losing a child and i say this as a parent. I cant blame him for borderline insane emotional talking.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks for the lingo, I never knew of paracosm.

[+] [email protected] -41 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It ended up on the front page of my lemmy instance, so I feel invited to read & comment. As I said, from what the plea describes, there's plenty of people who one could help a lot more with a lot less money and out of circumstances that they have less chances of getting themselves out of. I am not saying I have zero sympathy for the guy, but if I think about charity, I think about the weakest of society first. And this guy still has his creativity and a safety net (family, friends) to continue working.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

You are right in that there are people in worse situations as you describe and I hope you do donate to them however you can. But the person here affected has taken bad decisions and it is actively being legally attacked, this is a position I understand and can relate to so I have donated to him.

I'm replying to you as you have replied to this post as to express my own opinion and to say that although you are not wrong in your comment, it is a bad position to take and might be considered arrogant and presumptuous. May you never be in a position where you need to ask others for money.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What a weird mentality to show up to a place you weren’t invited to(Lemmy showed us this, not the people here) just to tell them that you don’t value their problems and that they shouldn’t either because other people have it worse. I doubt you’re helping them, either, so go find a quiet place to shut the hell up in.

The closest I’ve been to this Disco Elysium is that I know a friend really likes it. That’s about it, so it ain’t my place to shove in and act like my opinion is worth anything.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yea it's a very strange stance. "I won't help this guy because other people might need it more". I played Disco Elysium and it is obvious it is a very personal project. It was stolen from them and I cannot help but sympathize.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I guess other poor or homeless just dont have a good enough story or product they were part of before.

[+] [email protected] -26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It ended up on the front page of my lemmy instance, so I feel invited to read & comment.

This is the only part people forget before giving others shit on Lemmy and reddit. I didn't ask for Dingo Epilepsy news. So when I comment it's because I was slightly interested in what your platform had to offer...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Y'all screaming entitlement so hard sheesh.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Because we jumped in on a /all shown post? Close/private your community if you don't want people to be involved.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Both of your comments are just complaining, that's not being involved. And the other guys comment was just rude and ignorant.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Their perspective is valid whether you think so or not, thats how perspectives work. Dont be so closed minded.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What perspective? The "I don't know what's going and can't read" perspective, or the "I don't like how link aggregators work" one?

Or is it the "His struggles don't matter because there are people worse off" one? That one great. It's like you get to be heartless while patting yourself on your back.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, we all understand you dont like their perspective. Congrats.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, I will not care for crappy, disingenuous perspectives.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

">It ended up on the front page of my lemmy instance, so I feel invited to read & comment.

This ^^ isn't a complaint.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"I didn't ask for it"

Buddy, that's how link aggregators work. If you don't like it, then only look at subscribed communities, or block ones you don't like. Posts aren't made specifically for you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"I was slightly interested in what your platform had to offer..."

Reread my last comment please.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Being "slightly interested" doesn't give you a pass to make shitty, half assed comments. And by the down votes that's what people seem to think your comments are.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

If it makes you any happier, I have spent a considerable amount of time reading through this games subreddit, out of the loop subs, and some game trailers and it has piqued my interest and I'll be taking a closer look at playing it.

So if anything has come from my "shitty comments" it's that this game has earned my interest.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm okay with being downvoted. There's always another account to be made, there's always a person who gets uppity, there's always another topic that people get pissed off about. And I don't really think any of my comments have been shitty. Maybe half assed. But not shitty.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's "Disco Elysium".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Maybe just consider spending your time helping one of those ten people then instead of writing a comment criticizing someone else's plea for help.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

A person can do both.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 weeks ago

I do help people. Also with money. But that wasn't relevant to my point.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe you should look into it before blinding commenting? And maybe read the disclaimer in the post??

You do realize you're in a community for the game that the writer is for right? So obviously people in this community are going to care about the writer.

And giving money to his cause does not have to take away from helping others, it's very possible to do both. Your complaining isn't helpful at all.