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Why can't school shooters just shoot up corporate gatherings of particularly evil industries instead. In the immortal words of Futurama, "Smite someone who deserves it for once!"
That quote has been going through my mind since I first heard the news.
Although to be honest I was thinking that parents who send their kids to christian schools are more likely to deserve wrath than the general population are. I'm not especially proud of that thought, I'm just upset at the way christians want so many other people to suffer.
The police chief was asked about comments online that suggested the shooter may have been trans.
“I don’t know whether Natalie was transgender or not,” Barnes said.
“I don’t think that whatever happened today has anything to do with how she or he or they may have wanted to identify,” he added. “And I wish people would kind of leave their own personal biases out of this.”
That's a great answer
Translation:
"Get the fuck out of here with your political bullshit."
I like this guy.
“How does any 15-year-old get ahold of a gun?” he said.
are you fucking kidding me? we have almost no gun control, and there are more guns than human beings floating around the country.
any attempt and even kind of controlling these human killing devices is stopped by conservatives 100% of the time.
dead kids are the tax americans pay for the 2nd amendment.
if a room full of dead kindergartners wasnt enough to get gun nuts on board, nothing will be.
If the norm ever switches from dead kids to dead CEOs, expect to see gun regulation suddenly matter
Young women are far less likely than young men to be suspects in school shootings. According to the K-12 school shooting database, as of Tuesday, nine suspects this year were female compared to 249 male suspected shooters.
258 school shootings this year. There are two weeks left in the year. 258/50=5.16. Five school shootings per week. That would be a shooting every single school day on average if schools ran all year long. Since schools typically have the summers are off, it's really more than a shooting every school day. And that doesn't even include the vast number of non-school shootings that have happened this year.
And only one CEO shooting.
Be the change you want to see in the world
Off the bat, every one of those 258 incidents paints an important picture about the gun violence issue in the US, however there's a whole lot of people who are going to take issue with their methodology because they're defining a school shooting as any time
a gun is brandished, is fired, or a bullet hits school property for any reason, regardless of the number of victims (including zero), time, day of the week, or reason.
And honestly that feels a little too broad for me.
If a gun is simply brandished, that's just not a shooting. It might be an attempted or potential shooting that was stopped before it started somehow, but by definition it's pretty hard to call that a shooting if no shots were actually fired. It's a closely-related and important statistic that should be mentioned along with actual shooting numbers, but lumping it together with incidents where a gun was actually discharged feels like a really disingenuous to inflate the numbers.
They go into a lot of detail on their website about their methodology and what sort of incidents could potentially be counted as a school shooting but I feel like they missed the mark here a bit.
When we hear the phrase "school shooting" I think we all picture a pretty similar scenario, something like columbine or sandy hook where someone brings a gun to a school during a time where they expect students and staff to be present and open fire intending to do harm to those students or staff, not two assholes having a shootout on the school yard at 3AM on a Saturday when there's no students or staff present, or some parent negligently discharging their firearm in the car while waiting to pick up their child, or any other number of other shooting or gun-related incidents that could occur at a school.
I think it would be more appropriate if the data were narrowed to something like
An incident where a gun is intentionally fired on or at a school property during or up to one hour before or after school hours or any school-sponsored activity where students or staff are present
Leaving one hour to allow for students who are dropped off early or are late being picked up, just kind of linger around the school to hang out, etc.
Which still leaves a bit of wiggle room for the shooters intent, who/what they were aiming at, etc. but that can sometimes be hard to determine objectively so I'd be ok including those, it would also include situations where the gun was fired but no one was actually hit and I'm also ok with including that.
It also would include some situations that aren't the sort of "classic" mass shooter scenario we tend to envision, like two students with a personal dispute or a gang related incident that happens to play out at school with guns, and I'm also ok including those, the core of the issue is shooting happening at school during school functions involving students and/or staff and that fits the bill.
When we leave the definition so broad it leaves too much room for assholes to deflect and nitpick and say that our arguments are invalid because we're making up numbers, even though they miss the point that even one school shooting a year is far too many, never mind the countless other similar incidents that occur as well. I think it's best to get out ahead of that by keeping the definition more narrow.
I work in 911 dispatch, this will vary somewhat from one jurisdiction to another, and this isn't necessarily relevant to how the stats are collected, but it definitely gives some insight into how I frame these incidents in my mind. If I get a call about someone with a gun at a school there are about 10 ways I might enter it (maybe even more, but these are what immediately come to my mind)
Suspicious Person- There is someone with a gun at the school. It's holstered, someone saw it in their bag, etc. they're not brandishing it or threatening to use it, and they may or may not be otherwise acting strangely but the gun is just present but otherwise not involved in the situation
Disturbance- They're arguing or fighting with someone but the gun is not involved, just present
Domestic - same as a disturbance but the involved parties have some kind of relationship- family, roommates, exes, boyfriend/girlfriend, etc.
Assault victim- basically a disturbance or domestic where someone is hurt and needs EMS but was not shot (or stabbed, we also have a stabbing code)
Armed Subject- Someone has a gun and is using it in a threatening manner but has not fired it
Shots fired - a gun has been fired, intentionally or unintentionally, but no one is believed to have been shot
Shooting - someone has been shot
Active Shooter- the shooter is still there actively shooting (whether or not someone has been hit)
Suicide attempt- someone has shot themselves
Behavioral/Psych Emergency - there's going to be overlap with this and some of the other incidents, but we might use this code if the person is having a psych issue, is threatening to kill themselves, etc. and needs to be taken for an evaluation or committed but otherwise no one is injured.
Each of those have their own special considerations, different types and amounts of resources are going to be sent with different priority levels, and ideally our police will handle each situation differently as appropriate (cops in my area are generally pretty good at that, but YMMV) and it feels weird to me that using this database's methodology a lot of these could potentially all be lumped in as the same sort of "school shooting" incident.
On the bright side, there are only a few more days of school before winter break so the average should drop a bit. /s
Although one thing to note:
Documents when a gun is fired, brandished, or bullet hits school property.
I feel like a gun being brandish is not a school shooting since that kind of implies the gun is not fired.
That's a good point.
"Christian private school"
So much for the whole "we need prayer back in schools" argument.
Yeah, what the hell? Didn't they not have the 10 Commandments posted prominently in every room? I have been assured that doing so would prevent this sort of thing.
Needs to be the Ten Commandments on body armor. Something with spall lining otherwise the slab will fracture and send bits into them.
Let’s require the 10 commandments be posted on every sensible gun regulation bill so they’ll get bipartisan support.
Does everyone have a manifesto now? Back in the day, a manifesto had to be 4,000 words long, with no paragraphs, typed on a doggy selectiric.
Are you sure? The Big Beats Manifesto was only like 11 words long and that was described as an all encompassing way of life.
I suppose that these days as long as you can put it on a t-shirt you can call it good.
i don't get it : they say who she is, then say ; we should not speculate about who she is :
Natalie Rupnow, killed ... Police urge the public to avoid speculation regarding Rupnow’s identity
Because most school shooters are male, the wingnut social media is going off about how they're actually transgender.
There's 1000% no evidence of that, but when has that ever gotten in the way of the wingnuts?
https://www.newsweek.com/unfounded-natalie-rupnow-rumors-being-spread-misinformation-effort-2001975
Is that their go-to now? Something bad happens and the perpetrator doesn't appear male, they must be trans?
(As usual, they can't even conceive of the concept of a trans man.)
Oh that's easy, article was already written before the name was released and it was just a quick Find and Replace, Editing? What's that? No time in the modern media era. Gotta be the first to report it 3 seconds before the competition.
Can confirm, had a friend who listened to police scanners for a major news station. One time a cop goofed and said the victim’s name (a minor) over the radio, and my friend was thrilled because they had a name to release the instant it was allowed. Less of a friend after I saw their level of glee.
Maybe they are trying to discourage people digging too far into her life and family? Not that it wasn’t already going to happen once the name was released
Thoughts and prayers.
Seriously though this is just sad that we have to deal with this daily and as parents it is always in the back of my mind. I feel so bad for the families this close to the holiday.
I hope the manifesto isn't genuine. Don't recommend looking it up, its extremely racist and confused.
Well I wasn't interested before... But now I find myself interested
Where'd you find it? I'm honestly curious about it
Could you post a link? Can't seem to find it.
This was the best I could find with my limited Google powers.
It's so sad.
School children and CEOs getting shot has become a way of life.
One CEO was killed. How many children?
I'm making social commentary. I think that school shootings should be treated identically to CEO shootings.
How is one CEO getting shot even comparable to the massive number of school shootings we have? And how is it sad?
I'm being sarcastic about the CEO killing being sad.
CEO shootings should be handled the same way as school shootings are handled: Hand wringing, and no change.