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The Israelis have the power to end the political and economic conditions (which they created and maintain) which lead to violence
The Palestinians do not
If you're saddened or angered by the deaths of Israeli civilians, you can take those complaints straight to the Israeli government. Any handwringing about violence committed by the Palestinians is de facto support for the illegal occupation of Palestinian land and the apartheid state of Israel.
One of the most standout moments from the pod ever was when Felix went on a rant (and showed emotion for once) where he talked about how Netanyahu wants the Jewish diaspora to experience antisemtism and be afraid for their lives because it serves his agenda for that to be the case.
Libs on reddit and the MSM calling this an "intelligence failure" are out of their minds. Mossad allowed for this to happen to drum up fear and jingoism and justify horrific reprisals against the Palestinian people.
I can never forget the anecdote about the Israeli policeman/soldier making an old man kiss a donkey's ass in front of the old man's grandkid. the naked cruelty and sadistic humiliation
All oppressed people have the right to violence - Lizzy Borden
I’m trying to be very careful in how I say this, and I’m not trying to be a debate bro.
I find it triggering to say ALL violence is self-defense. There is no defense for sexual violence.
I can understand killing oppressors and even kidnapping families to gain leverage, but there is no situation that calls for rape and no excuse for it.
I understand that members of the IDF and US military are guilty of this too, and they deserve death.
I understand that you didn’t want to have a bunch of caveats in a blanket statement. I also know this is nothing unique to this conflict and happens in every war, I just think that’s the one area where our support can be critical.
Horrible things happen when settlers try to genocide millions of human beings to steal their land. Every sort of violence, sexual included, is a guarantee. That is what war is. There is no clean war.
That will go both ways, but only one side has the power to put a stop to this brutal status quo. The settlers have to end the genocide, and the war will stop.
Is there any evidence that Hamas have been committing sexual violence? I've been reading about this all day but haven't seen literally anything.
If they've done that, sure, fuck them, but all ive seen is racist libs trying to attribute it to them based on videos they refuse to share.
Is there any evidence that Hamas have been committing sexual violence?
I'd say it's basically guaranteed it happened, like in every war. The real question is whether it's sanctioned or condoned by the higher ups or not, that I can't answer.
I think it’s a given. Hamas isn’t actually a based organization. It’s just that they’re usually one of the few organizations left that physically combat Israel. Many rebels tend to soften up when they take over because they need international support and recognition, so here’s hoping to them winning quickly and the suffering can be minimized.
Don’t tell that to US media 💀
Yes it's self defence, but individual soldiers who commit atrocities should face disciplinary action for it. After the fighting cools Hamas should conduct internal reviews of incidents to investigate dispassionately. Those found to have behaved inappropriately should face consequences, such as losing out on being awarded certain medals, or in extreme cases even face dishonorable discharge.
Personally I'd hope they consider a standard more humane than the model that the US, Israel and their allies apply; counting every military aged male or dead child found with a rock by their hand as a combatant seems insane to me. Ultimately though that is for them to decide.
I agree, but I also hope that Hamas does not lose discipline and turn this into slaughter for slaughter's sake. Either way, the worst is probably yet to come.
War is hell, and civilians suffer in every armed conflict. It is preferable to avoid civilian causalities, but that's often not how it goes at all. After generations of ruthless oppression you're going to end up with profound dehumanization of your oppressors. And even if deliberate effort is made to avoid civilian casualties every bullet has to land somewhere.
The civilian status of Israeli settlers is ambiguous as they are directly and proactively involved in the process of genocide. idk if they can be considered combatants per se, but they're definitely in a different category than civilians living peaceably within their own borders. Israeli settlements are a deliberately act of political violence with the express and very conscious intention of displacing and dispossessing Palestinians. They are illegal under international law and by most definitions constitute genocide. The Israeli government has for decades actively pursued a policy of placing Mizrahi on the frontier as a buffer between the Ashkenazi core and the Palestinian territories. And for the most part settlers are ideologically motivated, enthusiastically enacting the goals of Zionism to create a theocratic Israeli ethnostate. Many of them are religious extremists and fascists.
I would prefer that if Hamas is going to take captives they focus on able bodied people of fighting age, but obviously I'm not calling shots on the ground and I will not judge their decisions from the safety of my chair.
This should be the pinned thread imo.