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I'll be DMing some more 5e soon and I want to take the opportunity to try some different ways of playing (I'll post my own suggestions as comments so they can start their own discussion threads). What alternate rules have you tried that you thought worked well? They can be larger changes to the game or little QoL tweaks (though if you can respond to the suggestion with "at this point just play [different game] instead" then that's probably more than what I'm looking for!)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This one's short and sweet. At level 4 PCs get the Score Improvement AND to pick a Feat. This has propagated throughout my whole group, but the original DM that started it reasoned "I think a lot of Feats are really cool, but a lot of people aren't comfortable passing on their first Score Improvement to pick up something situational. So they get a freebie, because I want to see what uses they come up with.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This reminds me, I do something kinda similar. At ASI levels I give out a +1 and a feat, instead of the usual +2 or a feat. I agree that it's more fun to let people take feats instead of feeling obligated to pick the ASI!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've seen a variant of this where everyone gets a free feat at level 1

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As PC's progress, falling to 0HP in combat gets less and less meaningful. So I have used a rule that whenever a PC is at 0HP at the end of their turn, OR fail a death save, they take a level of exhaustion. It makes the 0HP yo-yo more dangerous, and makes it so "death" has some longer term consequences.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

My group uses this, but with a separate temporary exhaustion (we call it Trauma) that goes away on a short rest. Still handily serves the purpose of discouraging yoyoing without being too punitive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I tried this for a bit and everyone hated it. We were only like 6th level though.

A variant I considered but didn't try was to track how far into the negative you go. So if you get slammed by a dragon for 40 damage and you had 10/60 HP, now you're at -30. A basic healing word isn't going to wake you up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Knockouts. It's a very simple rule. If you successfully sneak up on a creature and successfully hit them with an attack that deals bludgeoning damage, they need to pass a con save with a DC equal to 10 or half the damage dealt (whichever is higher) or they immediately fall unconscious. I feel like 5e doesn't really encourage stealth enough otherwise, and this way players have a decent way to pick off sentries and such before raiding a camp.

In theory you could do assassinations with a similar rule, but I haven't tried it out in a campaign.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is a good one, means a stealth mission doesn't have to immediately devolve into a loud and/or fatal combat

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've adopted the "you get Inspiration whenever you roll a nat 1" idea that the playtest floated for a while and it's turned out well.

I think that the "official" way of granting inspiration (grant when players play well into their PC's character traits) is a horrible design that both fails to achieve what it sets out to do and is both highly subjective & continuously forgotten.

The nat 1 approach doesn't break any other system, reliably hands out a small trickle of Inspiration just the way the original was supposed to do and requires little to no work.

I'm somewhat tempted to introduce QoL features like "you can hold two" or "you can use them to reroll", but part of me likes how it's a limited tactical resource rather than a safety net.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My concern with that UA was that powergamers would try to keep doing mundane actions to generate more inspiration, though to be fair I don't think anyone I play with would try that!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

As a DM, I decide when an action warrants a roll.

Actions that don't actually carry a risk when failing don't fall into this category.

So no, trying to pick your training padlock won't net you a roll. Trying to pickpocket in the marketplace will, but there's some definitive consequences attached to failure.

Fortunately, I've got a table of rather mature players, so this isn't a problem to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I have been using the bonus action to drink a potion optional rule. As a bonus action you get to roll but as an action you get the maximum from the potion. Its been pretty easy to implement and is only rarely used in my campaign.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have a bunch of houserules in my game, but here are some of my favorite and least complex:

Sprint: If you do not do anything else on your turn and you are not in difficult terrain, you can move up to 5x your speed (150ft typically). Attacks of opportunity against you are made at advantage. This is mainly to allow characters to catch up to combat without waiting 10 rounds.

Fight or Flight: Replaces the frightened condition. You can choose to flee or fight. Fleeing is unambiguous, fighting entails doing everything you can to kill the source of your fear -- no healing, no hiding, no stabilizing, no keeping your smite slots for later. Failing a save by 5 or more forces you to flee. (Taken from an XP to Level 3 video.)

Death saves are rolled in secret.

Light weapon property: we use the OneD&D version.

Critical hits: If you kill a target with one, the damage spills over to an enemy of your choice if I deem it to be within range of that attack. The damage keeps spilling over as long as you kill enemies. For instance, a critical hit with a bow worth 35 points of damage could kill up to five 7HP goblins if they are conga-lining in your direction.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really like the idea of secret death saves, definitely feels like it would up the tension a lot when someone drops

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It really gets everyone scrambling to help, and it makes more sense for PCs not to know. It's one of my favorite changes, and it's so simple, it's really good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe let them know the results if they use their action to make a medicine check to try and stabilise, though tbh the only time I've seen anyone actually do that is at level 1 when nobody's got magical healing yet!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've run and played in games with no magical healing, and even in games with healers, I find stabilization checks to be relatively common, especially in parties of 2 or 3 where your healer is typically also your front liner (paladin or cleric) and can go down. I don't tend to tell them the number of successes and failures, but I do tell them whether they succeeded or failed in stabilizing and how close their teammate is to death. Something like "while you fail to stop the bleeding, her injuries don't seem life-threatening yet" or "he's still alive, but every breath he draws grows weaker, and you fear the next may be his last". I prefer to stick to natural language when I can.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do something similar to Sprint, basically, you can move at double your speed for a round (so 4x total, dashing) but have to roll a Con save or take a level of Exhaustion. Each time you use this ability without resting, the DC goes up by 5. (Starts at 10.) Which feels about right, IMO. Lets a max-level Monk/Barbarian match (or exceed, with certain feats/races/subclasses) Usain Bolt for speed, but only for a short duration, even if they have a superhuman constitution.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

150ft/round is approx 13.2 sec per 100m which is very achievable for someone who's athletic. I'm not worried about max level barbarians, monks, or tabaxi being significantly faster than is plausible in reality: it's fantasy. Sure, imposing some kind of exhaustion penalty makes sense, but 5e rules for exhaustion are pretty severe, and the point is to not sideline characters who happen to be a bit farther away when combat starts. IMO giving exhaustion would just be another barrier to my players having fun, it would defeat the point of what I'm trying to achieve at my table. But if it works for you, that's great! I'm sure tables that want a crunchier and more realistic game would appreciate your version

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This might be in the 5e DMG and I'm just forgetting, but I'm a big fan of the 10 minute exploration turn while the party goes through dungeons. I find that it helps things move faster and helps players feel like they're getting enough time in the spotlight during the exploration phase. Rather than figuring out how far they can move in 10 minutes, I just allow characters either to move into an adjacent room (provided there is an unblocked passage to do so) or an action inside of the room. Actions in the room take the whole 10 minutes, but I usually let it slide if a player wants to perform a short sequence of actions to achieve a single result, the whole sequence getting represented by one roll if necessary.

To streamline combat, I have ported over minions from 4e (Matt Colville and I actually converged on this, I had been doing it since I switched to 5e and didn't find his video on it for years) and a modified version of the coup de grace rules. Minions are monsters with full stats and attacks but they die in a single hit, no matter how much damage they were dealt. For the modified coup de grace, if a player character deals half or more of a monsters HP in a single hit, even during normal combat, that monster dies immediately. Anything that gets the monsters off the field before they get boring really, since it allows me to throw out large waves of enemies that only take a few minutes to fight since many of them go down in one hit. I run a fairly heroic game of d&d so letting the players plow through enemies helps create the vibe I want during the game.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you use CR calculations to build your encounters, and if so how much is a minion worth?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I do not use CR to build encounters, and I use milestone experience, but in 4e, a minion was usually worth 1/4 to 1/2 the experience of a monster with equivalent stats.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cheers, the actual XP is less of a concern, I'm more concerned that I throw the right number of them at the players to be challenging without being fatal!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I found long ago that trying to balance my 5E encounters in any way, shape, or form is just a hopeless endeavor.

I just throw things at my party and kind of let 'er rip. Some end up hard, some end up easy, after a while you get a general gist for what they tend to be able to handle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Spell points instead of slots for sorcerers. Makes em feel more distinctive, works better with the limited spells known, and they need the flexibility to compete with other casters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've never played with spell points but I often thought they might simplify the whole concept of caster levels vs spell levels for me players

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I use an inspiration variant, allow free switching of weapons, and don't track encumbrance (the line is narrative ridiculousness basically.) So far I've seen players use inspiration more but I'm always looking to encourage it. We've tried a couple of variants.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Variant: "Gritty Realism" a.k.a. the "Adventuring Week"

I'd like to try having an "adventuring week" rather than an "adventuring day", i.e. have X encounters per in-game week rather than the same number per in-game day. The Gritty Realism variant rules basically provide this though I think the name really puts people off; I'm not trying to add realism, just make it so you can have actual meaningful resource-draining encounters as part of something like a week-long travel (currently I'd need to throw in so many encounters that it becomes tedious, or have one-encounter days which we all know the problems with!)

Has anyone tried Gritty Realism before, and if so how did you implement it and how did you find it? My main question would be:

  • How many days did you have per long rest?
  • How long were your long rests and did they need to be in a "safe haven"?
  • How did you adjust spell times?
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I try to keep house rules to a minimum. My biggest one is a change to inspiration. Inspiration is a reroll and you need to keep the new result. You can have multiple inspirations (max 3) and you start each session with one for free. If you end the session with more than one, then you can take one extra inspiration with you to the next session

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idea: extra XP triggers

There are plenty of grumbles about experience points only being awarded for killing things, and the rules for arbitrarily giving out more for completing tasks are pretty vague. Does anyone have any suggestions to improve this other than "just use milestones"?

I'm tempted to borrow some ideas from PBtA/BitD and give everyone some per-session XP triggers, e.g.

  • The barbarian solved a problem with violence or intimidation
  • The wizard pursued their magical studies
  • The character struggled with their Flaw
  • The character acted in a way that lived up to their Ideal
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have tried doing XP triggers before and I found it a little difficult to keep it fair between characters. If I were to do it again I would award the whole party XP when an individual fulfills a trigger.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Fair point, I think we'd definitely need a session zero where we decide the triggers together so everyone's happy and they're roughly balanced

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The only reason this is a "house rule/variant" is because everybody allows the optional rules by default and doesn't understand what "optional" or "check with your DM first" means.

I don't allow multi-classing. Subclasses do it better and are actually balanced. When I don't disallows multi-classing I get 1-3 hexblade dips every group because of how OP the dip is.

I've had a ton of Paladin/hexblades, more than a few Wizard (Bladesinger)/hexblades, and even a rogue/hexblade with a fucking double-scimitar.

I'm sick to death of hexblades.

Fuck hexblades. No more multiclassing in my games. Assholes abused it so much it's no longer an option because I like my hair where it is, and the alternative is for me to quit DMing altogether.

...and nobody else seems willing to run the fucking game...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Seems a bit overkill to ban all multiclassing when all you really want to ban is hexblade dips! I think you really just need to ban munchkins from your table ;)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Why not try a different system?

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