If the goal was to curb stomp, it would've been done last year. And there would be no "grain deal", there would be no flow of oil and gas to Europe, there would be no fertilizer supplies, nothing.
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Ukraine and Ukrainians are not the enemy in this war. Sure the Banderite Nazis are, but they are a minority that have taken the rest of the country hostage. The real enemy that Russia is fighting here is NATO. The goal is to defeat their proxy army and deplete the collective West's military and economic resources without completely devastating Ukraine.
The West would like nothing better than for Russia to completely eradicate everything in Ukraine. On their tally every dead Ukrainian is just as much a victory for them as a dead Russian. They know that at the end of the day, when this conflict is over, Ukraine and Russia will still remain brotherly peoples, no amount of Banderite propaganda can change that reality of kinship and historical cultural closeness.
This is why Russia needs to keep a cool head and respond to provocations like this only with actions that advance the overall military and geopolitical goal. If the grain deal no longer benefits Russia, it will be cancelled, but by that point it will be clear that its failure will have been entirely to blame on the West and their puppet regime in Kiev being dishonest actors and not abiding by its provisions.
Same goes for whatever deals are still in place for oil and gas. Let the Europeans commit suicide by continuing to sanction themselves out of a supply of oil and gas, that way it will be clear to the entire world who is a reliable business partner and who is not.
The real enemy that Russia is fighting here is NATO
I understand that
On their tally every dead Ukrainian is just as much a victory for them as a dead Russian
This I also agree with
Ukraine and Russia will still remain brotherly peoples
This, however, I cannot agree with. The whole hohol/moskal junk didn't start in 2022, nor 2014, nor even 2004 and orange "revolution". Hell, looking around, I'm not even sure Russia and Russia are "brotherly peoples"
Let the Europeans commit suicide by continuing to sanction themselves out of a supply of oil and gas
They're still receiving it. Sure, the standards of living might take a hit, but will it be as large of a hit as we experienced after USSR collapse? Large enough to shake people to awaken? I doubt it. Some petit bourgeoisie might get rekt and join us proles on the bottom, but the fat cats up top don't seem affected much.
it will be clear to the entire world who is a reliable business partner and who is not.
It's been clear for ages to no avail. Likewise with exposing western lies and atrocities
Honest question re Ukraine and Russia continuing to be "brotherly peoples:" what is sentiment of average Chechens towards Russia these days? From the outside, it looks as if they have largely realized the collective West was using them, and as a result the anger they had towards Russia has turned into anger at the west. I wonder if, following either (1) a Russian victory, (2) collapse of the Ukrainian government, or (3) Ukrainian victory leading only to IMF-imposed austerity, the Ukrainians could similarly realize that they were used, and become friendlier to Russia.
About Ukraine, note the turn of events:
- 1991, all the shit that happened
- 2004, colour revolution putting the rabid russophobes and western puppets in power
- After few years, Ukrainians elect president that promised normalisation
- 2014, coup putting the rabid russophobes and western puppets in power
- After few years, ukrainians again elect president that promised normalisation
- 2024??? seems like 2023 or 2024 will bring another huge upheaval
So while i wouldn't say Ukrainians and Russians are brothers, not after century of chauvinist propaganda and now literal war, but they sure as hell don't want to be enemies and USA needs to coup them every decade to remind them of their place.
We don't need to escalate the situation, gotta say this seem way to convenient that when Kiev makes contact with Beijing about a peace talks this happens
Rash escalation would indeed be a mistake. Provocations like this happen because the trajectory on the actual battlefield is not going the way that Ukraine's western handlers were hoping. It is an attempt to make Russia make emotionally motivated changes to their strategy.
The thing to focus on now is the defeat of the upcoming "counter-offensive": https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/operational-update-4
This doesn't mean that another wave of large scale missile strikes/bombings is out of the question, and Russia may well choose to claim that these are retaliation for the terrorist act, but they will hit meaningful military targets like concentrations of troops, equipment and logistics hubs.
As for the "talks" between Kiev and Beijing, if they can even be called that, they are a formality, nothing more. No one expects anything to come of such initiatives because Kiev are in no position to negotiate or be negotiated with. The ones making the decisions sit in Washington and Brussels. They are the ones who will eventually sit down at the negotiating table with Russia, mediated by China.
As for the “talks” between Kiev and Beijing, if they can even be called that, they are a formality, nothing more. No one expects anything to come of such initiatives because Kiev are in no position to negotiate or be negotiated with.
Didn't Zelensky straight up told Xi they want Crimea back? Not exactly surprising since that is the official position of UA government and he couldn't say anything else since i bet some ears were listening to that call, but it does not left any margin for real negotiations.
That just shows how un-serious they are. The clowns in Kiev know that that demand is a non-starter for Russia. There will sooner be a nuclear war than Russia giving up Crimea. China knows it too. And so does Washington. All that it does is confirm to the Chinese that the Ukrainians and their puppetmasters in the West have no intention of negotiating.
But China needs to go through the motions to show to the rest of the world that they are the reasonable adult in the room. They can say: hey, at least we tried, and we will not be the ones to blame for the continued destruction of Ukraine. It also helps Russia justify why it needs to keep fighting because clearly it is dealing with irrational people who do not want peace.
But China needs to go through the motions to show to the rest of the world that they are the reasonable adult in the room
Show it to whom, exactly? The global south either knew that already or cares little for some whities killing each other somewhere far away. The west doesn't care and neither do western-brained libs worldwide
To the fence sitters of 3rd world, there's plenty of them.
Yeah exactly what i was thinking too, especially with how seriously is Chinese diplomacy treated right now. That action with Iran and KSA did a huge impression even in the west, after all it's western media who were telling the story how they are natural enemies.
I don't buy it because there's no way this tiny little drone could have done any damage. Why did it hit the flag pole too? Loss of control?
this tiny little drone could have done any damage
There's plenty of footage, both Russian and Ukrainian, of teeny tiny copters butchering whole squads of soldiers with a single grenade drop. And this one isn't even that tiny
The explosive charge strapped on this drone so it can still fly could never do any real damage to the roof of the Kremlin.
So what are you suggesting?
Maybe false flag, although it would be an egregious one, or this was planned by someone who has no idea what they were doing... not sure which one is more believable.
Maybe this thing? It's not the first time armed drone flied near Moscow.
I don't believe in the false flag, western and UA propaganda used this card with every single terrorist attack and atrocity before.
Also this explosion wasn't really that small if you look at it few times (for example compare scale with seats), if the target was some particular room it would easily kill eveyone inside. Roof was definitely not the target and i read that Russiasn said they jammed that drone so it was most likely out of control at the moment of explosion.