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Rain water is forbidden for the Palestinians as it is an Israeli property. Tf

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's outrageous that the fucking Israeli state not only does that, but it tries to destroy Palestine's food sovereignty, especially Gaza's

Here are some sources: https://jacobin.com/2023/11/west-bank-israeli-settlers-palestinian-olive-trees-violence-occupation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRuKM5-WcGo

An excerpt: "it should be known before October 7th (Gazans) were already on a subsistence diet in 2012 Amir AAS wrote for hararat an article confirming the existence of a so-called red lines document drafted by ahud Al's cabinet in 2008 shortly after the beginning of the ongoing blockade the red lines document calculates the minimum number of calories needed by every age and gender group in Gaza then uses this to determine the quantity of staple foods that must be allowed into the strip every day as well as the number of trucks needed to carry this quantity on average the minimum worked out to 2,279 calories per person per day from this they reduced the quantity of fruits and vegetables milk and meat and poultry"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBHAitSKtVs

"Israel even controls the collection of rainwater in most of the West Bank and the Israeli Army often destroys rainwater harvesting systems owned by Palestinian communities"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

I found YouTube links in your comment. Here are links to the same videos on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (1 children)

i thought no levels were left for them to sink to, and whaddaya know?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

Happy Cake Day

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

What’s next? Paying for air?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

Those O2 molecules could be hiding a Hamas base!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Total Recall's main villain has IDF-like approaches to handling rebellion.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Don't be silly, of course air is free. You just have to first condemn Hamas, leave Palestine, agree those kids had it coming, and pledge fealty to Israel. Then you can sign up for your daily ration of oxygen! Making people pay for it would just be ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What- "rainwater is the property of the Israeli authorities", who the fuck told Israel that they owned the fuckin' clouds?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

who the fuck told Israel

YHWH

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

They're also banned from getting pilot license

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

This is draconian shit right there

[+] [email protected] -8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Talk to officials in the state of OREGON who have the exact same statutes on the books and enforce them.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Are you trying to imply that people in Oregon have it worse than Palestinians? I don't see the point in bringing this up here as if it's at all comparable

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

i think the point is that its a level of insanity. Imagine 100 years ago people being told they can't collect water that comes from the sky. They'd lose their damn minds at the audacity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Hoarding of common resource is the more mild crimes; there is the thief of property and land from Indigenous groups in Western European diaspora, Latin America, and other countries to a lesser extent under the excuse that Indigenous groups lack "proper" documentation to prove their ownership.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Statement of fact. You can reach your own implications I suppose? It’s not so much about the people as it is the legislation— which is not unique to Israel.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago

I don't know a lot about conditions in Oregon. I know that a rainwater ban in my area would be insulting but not really an inconvenience for many.

The same sort of legislation for Palestinians is a different story. Their water can be cut off at any time and their infrastructure is at risk of destruction.

Rainwater shouldn't be controlled by any state, but for most of us it would be an inconvenience. For people in Gaza it puts lives at risk.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's unique to Israel because Israel is telling a Palestinian village they cannot collect rainwater. It's not the Palestinian authorities prohibiting Palestinian civilians from doing it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

it's not just one village. they apparently destroy rainwater collecting infrastructure, routinely.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago

I know it's a statement of fact. We are asking why you felt the need to bring that up in this specific thread. Intent matters in instances like this and your intentions are pretty suspect here.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This in itself is actually pretty normal - banning rainwater collection is mainly to stop people from collecting so much rainwater that they cause environmental issues. At least that'swhy it's banned in many places in the US. If it's really banned in Gaza "because rain is the property of the Israel" then that's absolutely wild, though.

This may be the least oppressive and weird law the Israelis have restricting the rights of Palestinians, at least until they deliberately destroyed civilian water infrastructure. But then, I don't think enforcing rainwater collection bans is exactly at the top of the Israeli military's checklist right now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is that the reason why imprisoned Indigenous First Nation people in the Federal Reserves of Western European diaspora need to drink poisoned water until they forfeit their property ownership and right for reparations from the 150 years of child enslavement, illegal human child experimentation, savage indoctrination, mass murder which is disguised as "cultural genocide", inheritance thief, and mismanagement of First Nation people's funding in the Indian Residential fake schools?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Probably not, no. It's a type of rarely-enforced law that relates to water conservation and (primarily) preventing large scale farmers from removing tens of thousands of tons of water from local ecosystems to water crops, thereby preventing natural recharging of aquifers, etc.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

i think there are multiple states and/or cities/municipalities that have banned collecting rainwater

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

In some places, if too many people collect rain water, then that can damage the water table because not enough will get to the ground. Of course I'm sure that there are also many places that ban it for no good reason.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

The officials in the state of Oregon, are the "rightful" governing body of the state of Oregon and at least ostensibly representative of the people they govern over, though. And banning rainwater collection for a random assortment of preppers, off-the-grid enthusiasts and others who certainly have access to abundant and relatively safe drinking water, is infinitely different from banning it for a people for whom it is likely a matter of life and death.