this post was submitted on 25 Nov 2023

881 points (100.0% liked)

196

16423 readers

2023 users here now

Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.

Rule: You must post before you leave.

^other^ ^rules^

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

881

professions rule (files.mastodon.social)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

26 comments fedilink hide all child comments

alt text

A sign saying: "MEN TEND TO CHOOSE HIGH PAYING PROFESSIONS - LIKE DOCTOR, ENGINEER, CEO, ETC., WHILE WOMEN NATURALLY GO TOWARD LOWER PAYING CAREERS - LIKE FEMALE DOCTOR, FEMALE ENGINEER, AND FEMALE CEO."

all 29 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] [email protected] 93 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Ladies: Have you considered becoming a man for higher pay?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh, is that why transmasc are more tolerated than transfem: conservatives can't understand willingly taking a pay cut.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

Trans men aren't more accepted or tolerated, a huge portion of the fear mongering about trans youth is about "cutting off healthy breasts" and "ruining their fertility." Literally just look at the cover of Irreparable Damage.

I'm trying to not be a dick here but this is a fairly large point of trauma for me: what do you imagine happens when a trans man shows up in a doctor's office, possibly without a legal name change, almost certainly marked as female in their system? Because I can assure you it's not that you get totally respected and treated as a normal dude.

Trans men are threatening to patriarchy by virtue of being "women" who do not stay in their place.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago

[Takes testosterone]

"No!!! You're having an unfair advantage in... uh... Corporate hierarchical structures!!!"

[+] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (4 children)

[removed by mod]

[–] [email protected] 69 points 11 months ago (3 children)

A thing to take into account is male dominant professions sometimes being wildly toxic towards women which will push them away from that career path.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

It's also worth noting that careers like teaching were once highly respected and well-paying fields dominated by men. However, once women became more dominant in the field, the career as a whole lost both respect and pay essentially overnight. Nothing about the job itself changed, only the dominant gender.

It's honestly disgusting that people still try to defend this misogyny as some kind of physiological thing.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I see your point though I’ve heard female nurses are awful towards male nurses.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And to a lesser degree men tend to avoid highly women centric workplaces, either due to toxic masculinity (nurses, anything to do with sewing and so on) or just not having other people whom they can relate to easier.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I've experienced toxic workplace environments towards men in fields dominated by women. It happens both ways.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

At least men and women are equal in their ability to be assholes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Hear hear

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

toxic femininity

🎶and the downvotes roll, and the downvotes roll🎶

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

everyone with half a brain will agree that a lot of gender norms assigned to both men and women can be incredibly toxic. toxic masculinity just tends to be louder

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Very true

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

anything to do with sewing and so on

I'm not arguing with your point at all, which is a good one, but this one hits me kind of funny. In Coast Guard aviation, the Rescue Swimmers (the guys who jump out of helicopters to save people, are in incredible shape, etc) have two main jobs when they aren't actively flying: work out, and sew. Their shops have several industrial sewing machines in them, and they are excellent with them. You rank up and need new patches on your uniforms? Leave them in the swimmer shop with a six-pack, they'll get done better than any shop you might take them to. A lot of the survival gear gets made or repaired by them, so they have to be good.

So it's just funny that the most hardcore, masculine men (and women) in the Coast Guard all sew for a living.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Women weren't allowed to have ANY jobs less than a lifetime ago.

There is absolutely no logic in your leap from "I see bias" to "phisological differences in genders warrant differences in pay."

It's fallacy all the way down with a large rosy tinted privilege lens.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

The pay gap discussion doesn’t only revolve around some work being compensated less than other work (retail vs some office job). The main issue, as far as I’m informed, lies in the same work being compensated differently solely based on gender.

Another point considering work that is better performed by men. We may call for fair wages taking the different output into account. But at least a discussion should be had on whether we want that (equality vs equity).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

That last picture isn't liberation, they're now in the field of play and are therefore the shittiest outfielders I've ever seen. Setting aside not being in uniforms, they're all like 20 feet from 2nd base and so tightly clustered there's effectively no coverage in LF or RF. A line drive anywhere but dead center scores a runner on first in the best case scenario, more likely an easy inside-the-parker. If I was their skipper they'd be running drills till the sun came up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

liberation will fix the tall guys bald spot

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

NB: While barbers mostly work with men's hair, and stylists mostly work with women's, the jobs themselves are not gendered-- Lots of female barbers and male stylists. Some of the most famous stylists, like Vidal Sassoon for example, are male. Famous barbers are less of a thing, but on the total other end of the spectrum, the barber college in my area has a pretty even gender balance.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's not complicated but it's also not sexism. When women begin entering a job market the supply of labor suddenly doubles but the demand stays the same there for the price of that labor goes down.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Okay that's why wages went down.

Now do why men's wages went down less

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's also a stupid excuse for wages going down to begin with. Especially since we know that we are currently in a labour shortage which according to capitalist supply and demand theory should have immediately caused wages to increase, and I don't think the shortage is gender specific.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

This has to be bait, there is plenty of work that can be done and lots of research to do and plenty of cash to go around. Its the overwhelming greed from the richest people in the world that hold their wealth instead of letting it flow in the economy. Its disgusting how pay is currently is and you should be ashamed for thinking we are hitting some supply limit instead of other major factors at play that are strangling people's ability to have liveable fair wages.