Virgin hexbearist marxist vs Chad redditeur deboonker
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What sort of a question even is that? If you need to work to make a living, you're the working class, you're a worker. If you own so much you don't need to work, you're some form of bourgeoisie.
Yes, there are some edge cases and outliers. But anyone claiming that's somehow not "a thing" is bizarre, it's just a very basic process of labelling.
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These people are so fucking ignorantly smug
new class analysis just dropped
Blue Collar Class - construction, trades, janitors, truckers etc., people who work their bodies hard and will "burn out" in their 50s due to accumulated injuries, don't typically work a set 9-5 but instead do shift work
White Collar Class - people who work that there 9 to 5, biggest deltas between working and office class folks is the set schedule and work that doesn't really take a toll on the body
Professional Class - execs, doctors, law partners, etc. - people who amass wealth in a way that white and blue collar folks do not, have multiple homes, and can fund their kids education without debt, and can pay for extracurriculars to get their kids into elite institutions to try and keep that professional class status in the next generation
The Neogentry - the feudal lords of America, they own dealerships, a chain of franchise stores, locally important businesses, and are big fish in a big town but unimportant in a city or populous state. Wealth is intergenerational, but they are more locally/state focused. they probably have a relationship with their congressional rep, and definitely have a number of state govt members who know them on a first name basis
Blue Bloods - the Johnsons etc., high-3 and 4 comma club families with money managers who have real elite pull in society. They can meet with their senators, their governor, and may be able to get the President's attention on key issues
The only thing they've possibly identified here are the ones who own vast franchises, car dealerships, and local businesses usually have undue political influence on local governance. That's a real thing, but it's no different than saying there are small, regional bourgeoisie who exert influence within the framework of larger, international bourgeoisie who exert dominance over finance.
The other things this person says are just muddying the waters. Furthermore billionaires aren't even brought up, like they don't matter.
One of my favorite paradigms for The 2016 election and the rise of Trump, is this regional/nationalist versus global capitalist divide.
The person who owns a couple car dealerships, who owns a couple restaurant franchises, who owns a successful furniture chain, is statistically more likely to vote conservative and support Trump. In this paradigm they represent regional or national capital. A powerful group of class interests, but a group of class interests focused on the local state and national level. The person who owns a couple successful car washes, is opposed to NAFTA, doesn't care about maintaining the empire, but has a very strong opinion on socialized health care or the minimum wage.
The person who is on the board of a multinational pharmaceutical company, the person who is on the board at a defense contractor, is probably more likely to be an anti Trump conservative, or "liberal". In this paradigm they represent global capital, they can support things like a higher minimum wage, or mildly socialized health care, but always with the rationale of making America more competitive in the international marketplace. This is the group of capital most invested in maintaining empire, who have the most to gain from agreements like NAFTA. This is the segment of the bourgeoisie most opposed to someone like Trump.
In America we have two parties, both representing the bourgeoisie, one representing a localized bourgeoisie aligned with socially regressive groups, and the other representing a globalized bourgeoisie aligned with American empire. Both agree on 90% of issues.
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It's the "just one more lane" but for class relations
one more class bro, just one more class it'll fix this, please bro
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