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Lordy there are tapes, and he got caught trying to delete them. Definitely on brand for that traitor. Keep on digging your grave, don.
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And to think, he could've continued his shitty ways in relative obscurity, failing up with venture after venture, but he had to go be president. Now hopefully he'll spend the rest of his life in prison, or maybe house arrest.
I wouldn't say he necessarily failed upward considering that he'd be worth more today if he'd just invested his initial gift from his father into the S&P500, but I guess because of the presidency you could argue it.
I say that because regardless of his failures he doesn't pay the consequences. Everyone loses their job and money while he writes off the debts for a decade to not pay taxes. He has enough resources and influence to rebound from what ever happens. That's how he fails up.
That's fair and I agree with that 100%.
I do agree that he isn't a successful person. He's a shitty person that can't seem to really lose, or at least bad enough that he can't come back. Like that roach that just won't die no matter how many times we hit it with a shoe
Steve Cheung, spokesman for the Trump campaign, claimed the new counts are part of an effort to damage Trump as he seeks the Republican presidential nomination and "nothing more than a continued desperate and flailing attempt by the Biden Crime Family and their Department of Justice to harass President Trump and those around him."
The Trump campaign is projecting on more screens than Barbie right now.
Isn't he far and away the current frontrunner for the Republican nomination? And wouldn't one think, I dunno, his constituents might want to know about his criminal actions?
Oh wait, I forgot who his constituents are.
There comes a point in a person's life when they have to confront their parents or that crazy relative about their insane and damaging beliefs. This is that time for millennials. The boomers had it easy and they robbed us in our infancy. I don't care which side of the aisle you side with: Trumpism is damaging to the entire nation, and cannot be allowed to go any further.
The scary thing is, it's NOT just "old" people, I know a surprising number folks in their 20-30's that are all-in on Trump and the conspiracy theories.
I've been confronting them my whole life. I'm tired. My mother is into certain weird propaganda stuff, but it's only been recently after an extremely traumatic event. I try to reign it in, as much as im able, but I don't fight her. I give her something more concrete to put her frustration in.
Everything doesn't have to be some big conspiracy. There fucked up people doing fucked up shit in broad daylight. I think the conspiracy is a way to avoid coming to terms with how actual fucked we are, and as a buffer between them and their life and emotions. All fueled by propaganda. Shits effective. I feel it hitting me everyday.
Sigh.
But you'd also think someone who is running for president would want to do whatever possible to get those 'found not guilty' headlines as soon as possible.
Ya know... If they were confident that 'not guilty' was the most likely outcome.
I've lost hope and optimism of any true accountability being delivered. I'd still love if it was, but at this point he seems to have legal-teflon.
I think his only way out of this is pardoning himself. Just remember to vote!
States are going to start sending Republican electors regardless of the vote. And they'll get away with it. Bush v Gore already hinted that would be okay constitutionally, and we have a more politicized Court today.
State legislatures choose their electors according to the Constitution. All 50 states currently choose to have a vote to direct their legislatures to send certain electors, but there's no reason they can't ignore those votes as far as the Constitution is concerned.
The superseding indictment charges Trump, De Oliveira and Nauta with two new obstruction counts based on allegations that they instructed an unnamed, fourth worker to delete surveillance video footage at Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence last summer "to prevent the footage from being provided to a federal grand jury." (Via NPR)
He's totally going to jail, huh?
Security workers aren't paid enough to protect you from the law, lol.
That is the crux of Trump's downfall: not paying his bills.
Pay your fixers, pay your muscle, and pay your mouth pieces. You can all still screw the little people, but the movers and the shakers must get paid and paid WELL.
If Trump had offered a nice sum, call it 50,000USD to the security guard, he probably would've made sure the footage was erased. If somebody's covering your ass, don't spit in their face
First trial is March of next year, then May, then two more indictments pending. I doubt he's going to dodge 4 trials, with 70+ felony counts and counting scott free.
I made a tracker here:
Useful tool! I don’t see the NY case going far tbh. Of course, he couldn’t pardon himself from that, so it’s still important.
Yeah, NY and GA can't be pardoned, but of course GA also has a Republican governor... sooo who knows?
Yeah, but Brian Kemp hates Trump. Trump made him look terrible.
I think the GA case will go farther than the NY case. Ig I was just fixating on trial dates when I made my previous comment. Now that I think about it, I imagine it will be a big issue in the next GA gov race, at least in the GOP primary.
I think Georgia Republicans are going to end up causing a riot.
They passed a law allowing the state legislature to remove a DA.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/05/georgia-brian-kemp-bill-remove-local-prosecutors
So here's what I predict will happen:
In July or August, Fulton County DA Fanni Willis brings charges against Trump, and Georgia immediately has her removed to try to kill it.
Georgia pardons have to jump through hoops that presidential pardons and those from other governors do not. I don't know how to set the odds, but everyone thinks the odds the GA indictments get pardoned is relatively low (compared to say, an indictment in Florida under DeSantis).
Georhia passed a law (that Kemp signed) allowing for the removal of DAs. My expectation is as soon as she files charges, they'll just have her removed and that will be the end of it (except for the rioting). ;)
Yes. This is possible. Hopefully that would bring federal charges in Georgia for such baked corruption.
The former president told the group he had a "plan of attack" from a senior military official. Trump characterized the document as "highly confidential" and "secret information" and noted that "as president I could have declassified it.
Sounds like it's the document that was thought to be a plan Mark Milley (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs under both Trump and Biden) made for invading Iran. There were so many news stories about this, Trump was caught on tape admitting to a crime, but for some reason he wasn't being charged for this document specifically. Now it looks like he is.
A superseding indictment unsealed by the Justice Department lists multiple new counts against Trump, including: altering, destroying, mutilating, or concealing an object; and corruptly altering, destroying, mutilating or concealing a document, record or other object; and an additional charge of willful retention of national defense information.
I’ve lost track of how many charged this is now. And how many decades he’s facing. And in all likelihood it will double in the next 3 weeks.
If he's found guilty of everything in this indictment the sentences will be served concurrently. All the attention grabbing headlines claiming he's 'facing 327 years in prison" are bunk.
But in his case there's no difference between 15-20 and 327.
How does he even sleep with all this looming over his head, day after day?
He’s been a shady shithead his entire life with no consequences and thinks he won’t face any ever.
My worry is that he might be right.
He thinks he can win the election, and pardon himself. He’s a narcissist. He had not capacity of doubting himself until he’s locked up. And he just might pull it off.
How many times will he be charged and not arrested? This seems pretty absurd.
He has been arrested. When you turn yourself in you are arrested. When your lawyer is in talk with prosecution for a non violent crime you can usually arrange to turn yourself in. Especially if you’re not a flight risk, and even more so when you’re an ex president surrounded by secret service.
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