NikkiB

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Since there is no good reason not to like us, is God’s disfavor toward the Jews something akin to the United Nations or the European Union, which just despise us irrationally?"

This literally has the cadence of a joke. I cannot get over the persecution complex.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

He misspelled "ruining."

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

You might want to consider World-Systems Theory as a good starting point. Workers in the imperial core do not experience the same kind of exploitation as people in the periphery. The USA is a high-income country.

And nothing lasts forever. Nothing is necessarily so. We are in the midst of a massive global paradigm shift. Multipolarity is on the rise. Things are changing everywhere fast.

Settlers by J Sakai is a brilliant expose of American settler-colonial culture and vital history book that attempts to answer this question, but if you decide to give it a read, I would advise you not to draw too many hard and fast conclusions about its contents. Discussions about this book get explosive because they touch on very sensitive racial tensions, and a lot of people get very ridiculous about the whole thing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I highly doubt most local libraries carry a copy of Settlers. Where are you seeing this?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You gotta love that old bait-and-switch. Whose fault is the corruption again?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

"We're giving the president and his cronies more discretion and shielding them from the consequences of their actions to fight the deep state." I would've thought if anything qualified as "the deep state," it would look exactly like this.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

MBTI is fine as far as personality systems go, but the reason I bounced off of it was that it eventually became clear there's zero method to objectively distinguish one type from another. Every single person who gets typed and classified by this system is categorized by vibes, and that's pretty much it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

All I know about Carl Jung is that he features in every piece of pop-psych "connect with the energy" nonsense published or printed in the past several decades. The instant I hear his name in any conversation or read it in any article, my eyes start to glaze over.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm no Nazi apologist...

BUT-

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can I travel back in time and stop you?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Obviously, Alex Jones didn't cause 1.5 billion dollars worth of damages, but he dug that hole for himself when he behaved like the stupid asshole he is in front of the judge and jury.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Given her posting habits, that procedure might've already been performed on her.

 

We've all expressed immense frustration over being lumped in with Nazis and other rabid bigots over our opposition to apartheid and settler colonialism. The cynical attempts to crush opposition to Zionism by browbeating anyone who opposes the American empire with accusations of secret antisemitism can be seen both before and since October 7. It is somewhat ironic that Zionism, especially among evangelical Christians, is itself an unconscious expression of toxic and deleterious antisemitism from which they have failed to liberate themselves.

Among Evangelical Americans, a popular belief posits white Israelis as not only being indigenous to Palestine, a bizarre contortion of reality in itself, but as being the "chosen people" with a separate covenant with their god which guarantees a Jewish ethnostate in the "Holy Land." In the same way that their god promised the New World to white European settlers from coast to coast, he has promised Jews all the land in Palestine from the river to the sea.

On its face, this belief seems to be pointedly not antisemitic, but a clean inversion of the idea that Jews are inferior. But this inversion of antisemitism is not the same thing as the abolition of antisemitism.

Importantly, "chosen people" is not and has never before been an expression of supremacist thinking, at least not traditionally among Jews. The true meaning of the phrase "chosen people" refers to the special obligations, or "mitzvot," which Jews observe in obedience to their god. They are the "chosen people" because, unlike in Christian doctrine, these laws are not universally applicable. No Jew in their right mind will claim eating pork, for instance, is an offense to God independently of one's own religious identity precisely because non-Jews do not have the same obligations to God. We gentiles have no mitzvot to follow. That is what actually makes Jews "chosen."

The insistence that Jews' unique relationship to the divine reflects a supremacist worldview is, in fact, an antisemitic contortion of Jewish doctrine to justify the oppression and extermination of Jews. Antisemites are very fond of invoking this imaginary Jewish doctrine to claim that Jews are the originators of the ideology of racial hierarchy. It is a bold-faced lie engineered to justify genocide. "If we don't do it to them, they will do it to us."

Rather than parting with this bigoted idea, non-Jewish Zionists have preserved their erroneous antisemitic belief with the additional caveat that Jews are, in fact, "chosen" in the sense that they have not just special obligations, but special rights, namely the right to all the land in Palestine. They have not parted with antisemitism whatsoever, but have merely inverted it to justify yet another genocide.

When these same people accuse us of antisemitism, it is wholesale projection which suggests since that they are the self-appointed opposite of antisemites, and since we oppose their Zionist regime, we must be antisemitic. In reality, in agreement with true Jewish doctrine, we reject all claims of racial supremacy.

So don't let anyone tell you that you're antisemitic for not being a Zionist. Zionism is antisemitism. Do not forget this for a second.

 

From an early age, even during primary education, Americans are told that their country is exceptional. It's not clear what is meant when we are told this, since no explanation is given as to how we are exceptional.

In fact, most of American propaganda makes endless excuses for itself. "American slavery and genocide isn't all that bad, especially considering everyone else does it too. All land is stolen. You have to keep 'historical context' in mind when criticizing the United States. It's not fair to judge our actions by modern standards."

Without even deconstructing this argument, how it is filled with deception and misdirection, we can see a glaring hypocrisy. I thought we were supposed to be exceptional. Now you're saying we aren't?

This kind of self-destructive argumentation always emerges in regards to America's colonial underclass. When people discuss the annexation of Indian land or the enslavement of Africans, we are always told that the conquered and enslaved peoples were underdeveloped economically and had little in the way of sociopolitical organization, infrastructure, or wealth before we so charitably brought them under our heel and gave them everything worth having.

Of course, we know this isn't true. Indigenous peoples had quite a bit to steal. Otherwise, we wouldn't have stolen their land, their human labor, their natural resources, or have dissolved their existing polities to facilitate our theft. People with no riches have nothing to plunder.

Even concerning our annexation of Hawaii and the enslavement of indigenous Hawaiians, people have argued that Hawaii would have been "a poor fishing nation in the middle of nowhere" without our gracious intervention, that we built Hawaii's wealth and worth. Another obvious lie. If Hawaii was truly what they claim it was, which is in itself a lie, there would be no point in annexing it, dissolving its government, and plundering its resources. If Hawaii is poor, how did it come to be that American capitalists profited from it? Similarly, people argue that if we hadn't annexed Hawaii, some other country would have. Why, if it's so unimportant, would any country bother to do so?

On the one hand, colonizers and settlers love to say that they are doing nothing wrong because the people they exploit are so infantile and helpless that our aggression and theft is counterintuitively an overall benefit for the people we brutalize. On the other hand, they sure seem to want what indigenous people have, which is why they steal it.

This is the white savior complex brought into clear focus. The belief that the colonized must be colonized to save them from themselves isn't merely a delusion borne of believing the wrong facts. It is a rationalization. They must believe they are superior to justify their theft, but if they truly were superior to the people they exploit, as they claim they are, the exploitation itself would not only be unnecessary, but a total waste of time.

Do not let liberals get away with arguing like this. Who knows, if someone spells it out for them, they might realize the errors of their ways.

 

But is it clear to anyone else that the same racism used against American Blacks is being used against the Gazans? On what level is the Israeli lie of "that hospital was a Hamas weapons depot" different from the American lie of "that Black teenager had a gun"? Certainly in scale, it's different, but qualitatively? Maybe not. They are both oppressed by white supremacist colonial forces within the borders of their settler states, after all.

And having two points of reference where the same lie is employed ineffectively gives interesting insights. One might suspect that it's the same lie every time. Perhaps whenever white people insist that "this group is violent, so they must face our violence" is not so much a reflection of reality, and merely indicative of the speaker's colonial mindset.

Because this is not the way revolutionaries think. They understand the necessity of violence, but not in the sense of "an eye for an eye," but with an understanding that violence is a tool that can be employed to the ends of liberation. They do not say "We are killing for retribution," but instead say "we will capture more until the jails are emptied."

 

Any discourse about the terror state of Israel is going to draw in strange characters, including express antisemites, and I've been noticing a sparse but present range of bigoted language and sentiment in response to Israel's invasion of Gaza. I can't tell if people are merely erroneously equating the state of Israel with Jews broadly (as Israel itself does), or this is a cynical hijacking of the anti-imperialist movement by right-wingers and other bad actors. Either way, it's not too uncommon to hear people express inappropriate hatred of Jewish people in general when criticizing Israel specifically.

I want to be absolutely clear that I have not seen a single instance of such behavior on this site, but it does exist elsewhere, even if in small amounts. Obviously, the problem of imperialist genocide goes far beyond, and does not necessarily encompass, Jews or Judaism, and it's clear that communists understand this far better than most.

With all that in mind, is there a way to educate these folks? When you see antisemitic remarks like I've described, what do you say?

 

I'm going to skip over a lot of the preliminary discussion concerning this text. The fact that the essay contains antisemitic language and ideas is not news, and hardly needs mentioning. I am also going to presuppose that whoever engages with this post is at least passingly familiar with the central thesis of the work, because this post doesn't need to be any longer than it already is.

There is one major flaw I see in the piece. The work is dependent on the idea that Jews are an underclass, hence the need for Jews to "liberate" themselves from Judaism, not unlike how the Proletarian class must seek to abolish itself, and not just the Bourgeoisie.

I have never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. Yeah, Jews are oppressed, but unlike the black/white racial hierarchy, Jewishness is not an identity conferred on one through oppression. It's an ethno-religious group which has existed for thousands of years in a variety of contexts where oppression may or may not be present. This simple fact makes Karl's dialectical approach seem absurd on its face. Christianity and Judaism are not in a dialectical relationship. It makes no sense.

Perhaps it's cruel of me, but I can't help but wonder if this is a manifestation of Marx's insecurity over being Jewish himself. He never had much connection with the cultural or religious aspects of his ethnic heritage, given that his father converted to Christianity during Karl's childhood to practice law. And yet, I have read that he was bullied for being Jewish, that it showed on his face and in the color of his skin. Perhaps it's not unreasonable to suspect that Marx himself desired to erase the Jewish aspects of himself to escape the bigotry he experienced, and simply projected that onto all Jews.

I know this isn't his most cherished work, but given that the anti-imperialist left is "antisemitic" in the minds of people brainwashed by cable news, the mere existence of this essay is a powder keg. How easy would it be for someone to merely reference the title and author of the essay and devise a convincing argument that we hate Jews. Such an argument would depend upon not listening to actual Marxists and not understanding the history of socialism, but liberals being incurious and ignorant as they are, the ball might be in our court to disabuse people of these ideas.

 

These "people" are so off-the-wall genocidal that even calling them liberals feels somehow misleading. I know that liberalism is the moderate wing of fascism, but it feels as though there is no moderate wing left. I know this is not so much a departure from there normal mode of thinking as a particularly ugly contextual manifestation of the white supremacy they hold so dear. But my God, things are rapidly getting out of hand.

Best case scenario, I see them frame the conflict in Palestine as a conflict between religious extremists. How far up your own ass do you have to be to make such a claim? Pushing back on this idea, insisting instead that the operative identities here are colonizer and colonized, oppressor and oppressed, and that the conflict will only end when the oppression ends, someone was more than happy to call me a "terrorist sympathizer" (lol) and told me that I should be gassed.

"Israel's right to exist" is a thinly veiled dogwhistle for genocide apologia. "Terrorist" is functionally a racial slur, now more than ever. "It's a complex situation" is a lazy yet effective strategy for muddying the waters long enough for their Final Solution to be enacted yet again. Shaking liberals awake causes them to lash out violently and retreat into the dark crevices of racism and profound ignorance. It feels so hopeless.

I feel like I am in some kind of nightmare, where all of these people I previously thought could be reached have gone fully mask off and revealed themselves to be monsters with scarcely a soul to share. They are subhuman, blood-sucking fiends who need to be eradicated like one might eradicate cancer.

The worst thing, as I've already revealed, is that it makes me into the worse fucking person imaginable. I genuinely wish all these people would be shot. I find myself regularly thinking that the population needs to be culled, decimated until these psychopaths no longer disgust me with their breathing. Surely, if we just get rid of the bad people, everything will improve! Now look who's Hitler.

I just don't know what to do anymore.

 

Was in a conversation with someone who argued that slaves don't produce surplus value, that surplus value is unique to a worker-owner relation as in liberalism. Is anyone familiar with this idea? It didn't make a great deal of sense to me. One would think that slaves would give you as much if not more surplus value than workers you have to pay.

 

I find that no one, and I do mean no one, really enjoys living under capitalism. Every liberal is aware that things have not shaken out in an optimal manner for the majority of people. Rather than offering alternative ways of organizing society and a plan for how to build said society, the vast, vast majority of liberal sophistry amounts to justifications for why things must be this way, why there are no alternatives. It is nothing but a long list of excuses for a system which works only for bastards and thugs, and sometimes fails to work at all.

Part and parcel to this hasty defense is that capitalism has always necessarily existed, that it must exist in all contexts. Liberals, taking this absurdity to its logical conclusion, tell us stories about neanderthals trading coconuts and fish around in what apparently constitutes primitive capitalism. It is an utterly laughable conception of human history and pre-history driven by an idealist worldview. They are reciting fairy tales.

This thinking has consequences. Since communism is the opposite of capitalism, and capitalism must exist, communism cannot exist. There is no ideological struggle, no competing interests, and no dialectics. Defying capitalism is like defying gravity. This is what is meant when it is said that "communism only works in theory." People who pursue the abolition of class, a social construct, are in fact struggling vainly against not just human nature, but natural law.

The irony, of course, is that all of liberal thinking is dominated by a purely theoretical understanding of capitalism. Thankfully, we live under capitalism, and can directly observe its injustices. There is no need to speculate about the unforeseen problems that capitalism might cause. We've been doing this for over two hundred years.

This is a lot for liberals to deal with. Thankfully, the cognitive dissonance produced by the asynchrony between the promises of capitalism and what has actually happened under capitalism is alleviated when one remembers that since capitalism must exist, and that every social system is necessarily capitalism, there is no point of reference for what the world would look like without capitalism. Therefore, everything unpalatable can be dismissed as either a necessary outcome of a necessary system, or a purely distinct phenomenon entirely.

Consequently, when a communist says something along the lines of:

"The fact that European and American capitalism are made possible by the exploitation of the third world through slavery, genocide and other violence, as well as having produced the most massive inequality in human history, not to mention the climate crisis it also created, may indicate that it's worth considering how we might abolish this system rooted in the social fictions of class and private property."

A liberal's first impulse is to immediately fall back on theoretical frameworks:

"Capitalism is unrelated to the bad things you said because capitalism is based on voluntary transaction and consent."

But there is a problem here. It goes something like this:

1.) Capitalism must exist; everything is capitalism; anything opposed to or contradictory to capitalism is impossible. 2.) Slavery happened, so either slavery is capitalism, or the above statement is incorrect.

Oops.

This is the drawback casting such a wide net causes. The knife cuts both ways. It works really well for claiming credit for the PRCs poverty alleviation programs, but it does a terrible job of pretending that slavery is a completely extant phenomenon in relation to capitalism. If capitalism is so simple and basic as to encompass all trade, why is it suddenly not capitalism when the traded commodity is a human life?

Capitalism cannot be so necessarily and so conditional at the same time. Someone should really tell them this.

 

Nothing confounds me more than the droves of "libertarian socialists" and "anarcho-communists" who insist on clinging to the world's least relevant ideologies. Speaking as someone who used to be an anarchist (before I became old enough to drink), I can identify at least part of the reason being a vehement anti-Soviet and Sinophobic worldview cultivated by decades of malicious propaganda.

But I don't think this critique gets to the core of their beliefs. The true operative factor is twofold. On the one hand, anticommunist "socialists" avoid the consequences that come from aligning oneself with actually-existing socialism. This boils down to the simple fact that no one, especially not the powerful, are actually threatened by western leftist "movements" which spend all of their time and resources owning the red fash tankies online. Functionally, radlibs and liberals are on the same team aside from some nominal points of disagreement. This is clear enough from the Ukraine news cycle and its predictable effects on the minds of these terminal losers.

But on the other hand, every single anarchist "revolution" ending in defeat and failure has advantages for those who wish to profess to the ideology. Within radlib mythology, the fundamental failures of anarchist movements can all be blamed on external sabotage. This, of course, is exactly what we have been shouting from the rooftops for decades upon decades. And yet this seemingly obvious point of weakness shields anarchists from having to prove that their ideas actually work. If you have no surviving socialist project, there's nothing to criticize.

Obviously, this is in actuality a serious problem for every anarchist. When all "anarchist" socialist states are fanciful stories of flawless communism sealed in the distant past, there is no scientific socialism and no historical progress along those lines. Apparently, this suits them just fine, though it does make them deeply unserious.

 

It can't be.

 

Libs and reactionaries will constantly bring up the Wagner group in response to having the existence of the Azovites pointed out to them. This counterargument strikes me as lazy and equivocating, but I've always had trouble responding to it.

What would people here recommend I say to this point? Assuming I say anything at all.

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