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Joe Biden say he "almost fell asleep" on debate stage
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Fucking hell, he’s toast. Replace him or we’ll get trump.
Replace him and we'll get Trump
Anyone calling to replace him with no fucking plan is hoping for exactly that.
Your binary thinking isn’t helping you at all. Check my comment history and tell me I want trump.
There's only one way you're not getting Trump, and that's by voting for Biden and making sure as many other people do too. Complaining that you don't like your choices, while a valid and understandable complaint, isn't going to get you any closer to what you want at this point in the election cycle.
So when people tell you that "you want Trump", it's not necessarily that they think you're an actual Trump supporter. They're saying that you're asking for a series of events that would undoubtedly hand the presidency to Trump, and now in order to oppose Fascism we also have to oppose you, because you stand in the way of the Fascist losing the election. It's easier to group you in with everyone else carrying water for Trump than to logically separate you just because your motivations aren't pro-fascism, but rather self-destructive idealism.
To us, it feels like you're all being idealists and thinking that everyone thinks like you. News flash: they don't. The average American will look at Biden and either decide not to vote or vote for the other guy.
I don't care where you decide to group us, but please try to understand there are people trying to win this election and keep fascism from overtaking this country and those people might have a different approach that is worth considering.
I'll consider that when I meet one of those people.
...and who's being the "self-destructive idealist" now?
I double checked, and with this weak of a comeback, undoubtedly you.
That’s the “only way”??? Are you sure?!
People calling for him to step aside are desperate for something to happen as soon as possible so that people have as much time as possible to rally behind the next candidate.
The longer this gets drawn out the higher the chance that Trump gets elected.
I’m not saying you want Trump. I’m saying doing what you’re doing isn’t helpful.
And what you're doing isn't helpful either. We can't just ignore what is happening and continue to push forward with an obviously problematic candidate.
The Dollar Store dictator is dead even with the dementia patient – this is not acceptable. Any alternative candidate (for either party) would be a massive improvement, at this point. Stop denying it.
I’m not denying it. I’m saying having an actual plan in the really-real world where we’re all going to the polls to vote in 4 months is necessary. I personally can’t imagine a plan that doesn’t start with a Biden endorsement but I am receptive to ideas.
If there isn’t a real live actual viable plan that can be executed; where enough voters can rally around the plan and candidate and not be butt-hurt and vengeful that their primary vote is being discarded and show up at the polls to vote for democracy then Trump will win.
And until that plan is made and executed whinging about Biden isn’t helpful. We all saw the debate. We know the situation.
I think that it isn't unrealistic for the Biden campaign to transition to the Kamala campaign, or Whitmer campaign, or Newsom campaign etc etc. and recycle much of extent infrastructure there. It just requires Biden to do what's right for the country and hand over the keys.
In the eternal words of Mike Tyson, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face." Biden's debate performance was a punch in America's face.
I agree that we need a NEW plan, but we cannot just stick to the old plan and old candidate, simply because somebody's feelings might get hurt. We have not yet held either convention, so there is time to find and coalesce around a new candidate.
No one is saying this situation is ideal, but considering the recent SCOTUS rulings and geopolitical sentiments, we cannot just continue to ignore that something is undeniably wrong with Biden.
I think we largely agree. I’m just saying the old plan is the best plan we have until there is a new plan.
You can’t burn the bridge until after you cross the river.
Same, but my friend, our bridge is already on fire. So what do we do now?
Moat people don't care about the formalities of the nomination. Given a chance to vote for someone decent who isn't Buden or Trump, many of them will.
These two comments sum up the dilemma
replier plays games to deflect their illiteracy.
~~Coercing~~ Convincing someone who doesn’t want the job is not a solution.
Find a doppelganger who can pretend to be Michelle Obama like Saddam Hussein did.
replier plays games to deflect their illiteracy.
lol - I’m not the one who deleted and replaced my entire comment.
I purposely left the part you complained about so people could see the context.
And the point I made was it didn’t matter the difference in word choice. The original point still stands; “Coerce” or “convince”.
lol, i dindu wot u said but she said then I did, but I didn't, so there, lolol.!
The point still stands tho!
Which part confused you? I’m happy to help you understand if you like.
Who's confused, and where?
I think it's too late to replace him unless he decides to step down. Of course they could use the 25th amendment but I doubt they will. When Trump was in office, they brought up the 25th amendment nonstop