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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Idk. America is still pretty racist and even more sexist.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Sexist enough that a woman who no one likes won the popular vote in 2016. ....

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Popular vote dont get you shit here.

She lost the race in swing states where "independents" choose the winner. If she had been "John Clinton," with every single bit of the politcal baggage and none of the sexist baggage, I guarantee she would have cleared that 80k vote hurdle in those 3 states.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

She lost swing states because she decided she didn't need to campaign there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not if her statements and Goldman Sachs relationship were as public as they are. Goldman and Chase are political kryptonite for anyone on the left.

Goldman killed Warren in 2020.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

That's a red herring. The original comment was "America is sexist," and that's a statement based on quantities.

So yeah, the popular vote matters here.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Joe would have won that election, let alone Bernie. It would have been a different world today

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I remember the conservatives I worked with hated H. Clinton for "wanting to take our guns away." I told her (it was a white 20 year old girl I was talking to specifically in this group) that whole idea is untrue.

Clinton didn't lose because of her horrible treatment of Africans, her philosophy that abortion should be a states' right issue, because she is a woman, etc. She lost because the "Dems want our guns" propaganda. Conservatives are a simple breed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think people underestimate how much the Clinton name helped her even when the sexism hurt her. Beyond maybe Michelle Obama now, I can't think of any other woman out there likely to perform as well as Hilary did. During the race, I heard more than one person make comments along the lines of "If she's in trouble, she can just call her husband". She definitely got a lot more points from the Clinton name than she lost for being a woman. It's a sad world sometimes, yall.

I personally think Bill Clinton's brother Roger could have won that race even with all his controversies and the fact that he has zero qualifications.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

She lost due to her connections.

Her speaking engagements cost her important votes in key states.

If the left wants to win Goldman and Chase are Kryptonite.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago

It’s a sad but fair point

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 month ago

Did you forget that Hilary Clinton won the popular vote?